FFVI The best FF ever?

[Abul]

Yeah! FFVI was the first game that I have ever seen (the only one in fact) where you actually fail at saving the world. In a lot of other games you might not really succeed the first time around, but you would always manage to defeat the villian in the nick-of-time by the grit of your teeth and the gravel in your hand.

After said Apocalypse, you are a character who's loyalty was in question (by morons) and she ends up rallying everyone together to save the world.* She doesn't necessarily have to be the one actually convincing the people to fight the Empire for the good of the Republic, but she is the catalyst.

In the end, I guess you could say that you saved the world, but really all you did was fail miserably the first time around and merely crush the dictator of a world not having. But they did it in such a way so that my pessimism didn't come through, but the hope and sunshine of Square did.

Kudos to Square (but not to Woolsey. He botched it up pretty good).


*Just for fun, I voted for "Searching For Friends" in the Final Fantasy Rumble thread, or one like it.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

It is the best FF game, then it would go to FFVII.
It was the first FF game to brake away from the crystals and such and jump
into the future (well, into the steam punk era, at least)
I would say to anyone who never played the game "Go out and buy it, it will be a wonderful game " ^ ^ I just love Final Fantasy VI so much!



P.S

Also, when Dissidia comes out, buy that as well!

[Caleux Dei Neosus]

The best? No. The most impacting? No. The longest? No. A very interesting story worth any RPGer's time and money? Absolutely. Gameplay? Pretty good considering. Dialogue? Pretty good. Bad guys? Sorry, Kefka doesn't even come close to touching Sephiroth in the next game in the series...but then again, who does? Hehehe.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by Caleux Dei Neosus

The best? No. The most impacting? No. The longest? No. A very interesting story worth any RPGer's time and money? Absolutely. Gameplay? Pretty good considering. Dialogue? Pretty good. Bad guys? Sorry, Kefka doesn't even come close to touching Sephiroth in the next game in the series...but then again, who does? Hehehe.

Whoa, Sephiroth killed Aerith, boo-hoo.
Kefka (Cefca) killed thousands of people. Poisoned them burned them, killed off their planet, used hte light of judgement on them, which kills them, murdered Espers, used people as his sick twisted experiments (read the FFVI adventure guidebook) and torn the planet in half, sinking countries -which killed millions of people. Children were also killed, as was parents and even animals T.T
And, Cefca was made into a god, Sephiroth was made into a freak with a sicko mother with a eye on her boob. Scary! not.
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Sephiroth killed Aerith, burned a few people in Cloud's home town and a giant snake. He didn't even kill the planet, he's a sissy who can't fight.
He uses that long sword because that is the only weapon he can use.

[NoctisHeart]

Right on Terra. Sephiroth talked big, but failed in every aspect. As you can see, Kefka succeeded in almost all of his plans. Sephiroth doesn't even stack up to some lesser talked about villains. Even Ultimecia in VIII (who you hardly see) succesfully compressed time and killed everyone in the future.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by NoctisHeart

Right on Terra. Sephiroth talked big, but failed in every aspect. As you can see, Kefka succeeded in almost all of his plans. Sephiroth doesn't even stack up to some lesser talked about villains. Even Ultimecia in VIII (who you hardly see) succesfully compressed time and killed everyone in the future.

I know.
Cefca completed almost all of what he wanted and died just before the last item was declared his xD

Did I ever mention how Sephiroth stole turning crazy and using it as his excuse to kill?
Because Cefca went crazy from Magic infusions, Sephiroth from finding out he was a freak xD
Same basic outline.

FFVIII:

Hm, Yes, Even she did more then Sephiroth

[Caleux Dei Neosus]

Sephiroth had more wings than Cefca. Cefca died...and didn't come back. Cefca only managed to nearly destroy the planet and become a god because he realigned three statues and threw the world out of balance. Sephiroth managed to drive Cloud crazy and convince him to give him the key to smashing a meteor into the planet...and then succeeded if not for a last minute ditch by the planet itself. It took a small group of people to stop Cefca. To stop Sephiroth it took Cloud...and even then the planet still would have been destroyed if not for the fact that it was alive. And even then Sephiroth managed to infuse himself into the lifestream.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by Caleux Dei Neosus

Sephiroth had more wings than Cefca. Cefca died...and didn't come back. Cefca only managed to nearly destroy the planet and become a god because he realigned three statues and threw the world out of balance. Sephiroth managed to drive Cloud crazy and convince him to give him the key to smashing a meteor into the planet...and then succeeded if not for a last minute ditch by the planet itself. It took a small group of people to stop Cefca. To stop Sephiroth it took Cloud...and even then the planet still would have been destroyed if not for the fact that it was alive. And even then Sephiroth managed to infuse himself into the lifestream.

What Final Fantay VI game were you playing?
Obviously Cefca did come back. Second, Cloud's a girl, any one can convince him to give something to them, lame.
And no, it took way more then just Cloud, maybe not at the end, but it did.
Cefca succeeded in killing the planet off, but Sephiroth almost did. He killed Aerith and a few people in that weirdo town. Cefca became a god from infusion of both magic, Warning Triad, and the Espers. Killed children, parents, mothers, fathers and towns filled of people! Sunk countries and poisoned people, used the light to murder from atop his throne (Cefca is a way better bad guy)
Plus, Sephiroth stole "I'm crazy because of what I am - cry, cry, cry!"
Cefca became crazy from the infusions he got in the Imperial Army and the lack of his dead parents. Now, for a Sephiroth fan like you, since it is obvious you are one, should read up the REAL Final Fantasy VI story line and see how much [B]SEPHIROTH STOLE[/b] from Cefca!

Now, Cefca is called the shark of the army, because when he was little (his parents were generals, high ones) He was forced to under go training in the army and forced to get the infusions. All this was fine with him, up until his parents were brutally murdered in a raid or was it a war? I can't remember that part, but anyway - After he became an advisor, he killed Gastra's right hand man and moved up from there. Once he reached the right hand man, Gastra found out what he did and dropped him down to general. He worked besides Leo, who's parents were also generals, as was Celes' father. Once Cefca was seventeen, he under went another infusion, driving him mad. He realized what he became and what he was. Slowly, but surely, he lost his mind. The evil powers ate at him till he was gone, a shell of his old self. A REAL villain was born, not a wanna-be!
Now Sephiroth lost it because he found out he was a experiment, which is what CEFCA WAS!
Sephiroth is a rip-off pussy, ass loser who can't fight, so he killed a woman and uses a long sword. He is the worse villain to even be seen!

And even then Sephiroth managed to infuse himself into the lifestream.

Oh, no! Not the Lifestream! Help us, not! H stole that from Cefca merging with the Magic of Gaia and the warning triad, which is like the Lifestream.
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Now please don't post unless you know what you're talking about. Post when you know everything and not just a rabid Sephy fan!

P.S

WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT WINGS!
Sephiroth also stole that!

[Caleux Dei Neosus]

Your fanaticism is interesting. I actually am not a raving Sephiroth fan though I suppose I should not surprised that someone could jump the gun so quickly on a stereotype. In terms of appearance, popularity, marketability, and the fact that I specifically like the One-Winged Angel song for its dramatic tones, I like Sephiroth more than nearly any other Final Fantasy villain. It is my opinion and I apologize that you seemed to have taken the instance of me stating that Sephiroth was better as a factual statement.

Kefka? I always thought he was one of Square's stranger villains and didn't particularly like him since the first time I played the game when I was fairly young on the SNES. The carryover onto the PSOne didn't make me like him any more with a better look at his face. Really, you shouldn't be so...aggressive about something simple like whether or not someone likes your favorite bad guy. I made a half-hearted argument for Sephiroth for no other reason than the fact that your first reaction was so vehement. Really I don't care.

On the other hand, if this is the mettle of the members of this board now, then this place has fallen far far indeed. Perhaps my stay will not be so long this time.

[Omegablade]

Originally Posted by Caleux Dei Neosus

Sephiroth had more wings than Cefca. Cefca died...and didn't come back. Cefca only managed to nearly destroy the planet and become a god because he realigned three statues and threw the world out of balance. Sephiroth managed to drive Cloud crazy and convince him to give him the key to smashing a meteor into the planet...and then succeeded if not for a last minute ditch by the planet itself. It took a small group of people to stop Cefca. To stop Sephiroth it took Cloud...and even then the planet still would have been destroyed if not for the fact that it was alive. And even then Sephiroth managed to infuse himself into the lifestream.

Well let's see...About 14 people, had to band together to beat Kefka, while 8 people had to kill Sephiroth, if you don't include the final battle, where appearantly only Cloud really killed Sephiroth.

Usually the more people it takes to kill you, the stronger you are no?

Kefka is an amazing villian, and managed to become god. Then he tried to destroy the world.
Sephiroth is...well an ok villian. He screwed up his rival's mind, killed loads of people at Nibelheim, and almost Zack Fair...but then some pussy from ShinRa, just a grunt, had the balls to stab Sephiroth, and through some mircale kill him, despite how weak Cloud originally was.
Also...
Kefka = God of Magic.
Sephiroth = One Winged Angel.
Kefka's up there in the food chain don't ya think? Sure Sephy's got loads of power he's hiding. The thing is, he toys around far too much.

Also I love Final Fantasy VII, and don't even have Final Fantasy VI, but I know where credit is due.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by Caleux Dei Neosus

Your fanaticism is interesting. I actually am not a raving Sephiroth fan though I suppose I should not surprised that someone could jump the gun so quickly on a stereotype. In terms of appearance, popularity, marketability, and the fact that I specifically like the One-Winged Angel song for its dramatic tones, I like Sephiroth more than nearly any other Final Fantasy villain. It is my opinion and I apologize that you seemed to have taken the instance of me stating that Sephiroth was better as a factual statement.

Kefka? I always thought he was one of Square's stranger villains and didn't particularly like him since the first time I played the game when I was fairly young on the SNES. The carryover onto the PSOne didn't make me like him any more with a better look at his face. Really, you shouldn't be so...aggressive about something simple like whether or not someone likes your favorite bad guy. I made a half-hearted argument for Sephiroth for no other reason than the fact that your first reaction was so vehement. Really I don't care.

On the other hand, if this is the mettle of the members of this board now, then this place has fallen far far indeed. Perhaps my stay will not be so long this time.

Most people care for FFVII and don't see the
beauty of the rest. As what you posted sounded as if you were a crazy FFVII fan, who are the people I dislike. FFVII is a great game, up on my top 3 faves, but people don't see the over use of them. As what I exclaimed in other posts with many other people.
If you aren't ready for heated debates, then sorry.
And I guess you caught me when I am the most angry. I hate what they've done to FFVII.

Originally Posted by Caleux Dei Neosus View Post
Sephiroth had more wings than Cefca. Cefca died...and didn't come back. Cefca only managed to nearly destroy the planet and become a god because he realigned three statues and threw the world out of balance. Sephiroth managed to drive Cloud crazy and convince him to give him the key to smashing a meteor into the planet...and then succeeded if not for a last minute ditch by the planet itself. It took a small group of people to stop Cefca. To stop Sephiroth it took Cloud...and even then the planet still would have been destroyed if not for the fact that it was alive. And even then Sephiroth managed to infuse himself into the lifestream.

Well let's see...About 14 people, had to band together to beat Kefka, while 8 people had to kill Sephiroth, if you don't include the final battle, where appearantly only Cloud really killed Sephiroth.

Usually the more people it takes to kill you, the stronger you are no?

Kefka is an amazing villian, and managed to become god. Then he tried to destroy the world.
Sephiroth is...well an ok villian. He screwed up his rival's mind, killed loads of people at Nibelheim, and almost Zack Fair...but then some pussy from ShinRa, just a grunt, had the balls to stab Sephiroth, and through some mircale kill him, despite how weak Cloud originally was.
Also...
Kefka = God of Magic.
Sephiroth = One Winged Angel.
Kefka's up there in the food chain don't ya think? Sure Sephy's got loads of power he's hiding. The thing is, he toys around far too much.

Also I love Final Fantasy VII, and don't even have Final Fantasy VI, but I know where credit is due.

Great Point xD
I loved this part.

Well let's see...About 14 people, had to band together to beat Kefka, while 8 people had to kill Sephiroth, if you don't include the final battle, where appearantly only Cloud really killed Sephiroth.
Usually the more people it takes to kill you, the stronger you are no?

[Omegablade]

Thanks I guess.

Sephiroth has style I guess. He killed people at Nibelheim, and then died. Then he came back, killed at ShinRa including the president, killed a few ShinRa grunts, and killed some people on a ship, nearly kill some Turks, killed Aerith the last ancient, summoned Meteor, and the Weapons, and accumlated his powers at the bottom of a crater, trying to meld into the Lifestream itself, after reappearing his original body after using Jenova as his pawn, and the closest to got to his god form, was the state of a angel, defeated by Eight Warriors.

Kefka, poisoned an entire city/kingdom named Doma, succeeded in killing the planet off, he killed for pleasure, and killed Leo, and the emperor, and became god, using the power of dead espers, the warring triad, and his magic infusion from before. Then sank countries to the very bottom of the ocean, and from the heavens himself, he fired laser beams upon unsuspecting towns, without even trying, and caused much more pain to the world then when the empire was there for years, and slayed thousands of lifes, and then died at the hands of Fourteen Warriors.

In a major scale, you can see Kefka's deeds have surpassed Sephiroth. So much infact, Kefka was granted the legendary evil laugh.

Plus, both left something bad for the heroes even in death.

Sephiroth: Meteor crashing down.
Kefka: The destruction of all magic, and possibly Terra.

I'm not including Advent Children because, it's stupid, and FF7 has so many parts to it, that I'm restricting this comparison to the original games themselves.

[NoctisHeart]

[quote=Caleux Dei Neosus;63477]Your fanaticism is interesting. I actually am not a raving Sephiroth fan though I suppose I should not surprised that someone could jump the gun so quickly on a stereotype. In terms of appearance, popularity, marketability, and the fact that I specifically like the One-Winged Angel song for its dramatic tones, I like Sephiroth more than nearly any other Final Fantasy villain. It is my opinion and I apologize that you seemed to have taken the instance of me stating that Sephiroth was better as a factual statement.

Kefka? I always thought he was one of Square's stranger villains and didn't particularly like him since the first time I played the game when I was fairly young on the SNES. The carryover onto the PSOne didn't make me like him any more with a better look at his face. Really, you shouldn't be so...aggressive about something simple like whether or not someone likes your favorite bad guy. I made a half-hearted argument for Sephiroth for no other reason than the fact that your first reaction was so vehement. Really I don't care.

On the other hand, if this is the mettle of the members of this board now, then this place has fallen far far indeed. Perhaps my stay will not be so long this time.[/QUOTE]


What, we can't discuss things without people getting angry? In all respects, VI is a bit more refined then VII because of the fact that you are seeing so many different points of view. Yes everyone loves Cloud, but who need's just ONE person to save the world when you can see it's affects on many? Plus, as far as Sephy vs. kefka goes, it's like comparing Rha's al Ghul to The Joker, both are crazy, but one is manically so.

[Caleux Dei Neosus]

Originally Posted by NoctisHeart

What, we can't discuss things without people getting angry? In all respects, VI is a bit more refined then VII because of the fact that you are seeing so many different points of view.

They're games and the discussion is online. It's stupid to get angry about a game, it's stupid to get angry at someone online. Combine the two together and you just have a whole lot of stupid.

As to the second half of the quote, I agree that VI is more refined than VII. Unfortunately, as I see it at least, game developers across the board began trading storyline and character development for flashy graphics a long time ago. It seems to me that the better graphics a game has, the less time is spent on the actual storyline. Granted, this trend seems to have slightly turned itself around, but the fact remains that the games with the best storylines are old.

And I mean singular games, not series. I specify that because there are some series, like Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid, that have really good storylines if played from start to finish...which happens to include more than a couple of games with horrible graphics (at today's industry standards).

[NoctisHeart]

True, but that is also true for movies as well, trading graphics for story. Hopefully FF will not go any further in that route. I am replaying FF VI again, and I am just blown away at the story once again. The level of depth, the feelings of sorrow and victory, and the triumph's you gain feel so very...real. I would go as far to say that it is the darkest of the FF series, followed immediately by VII.