The debate for Kefka and Sephiroth. Whose better?

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

This is a thread I will make for myself, XSephirothEsperX and for those who will want to see the facts that the REAL games give, nothing the spin-offs or spin-off books gave. Got it?

This thread will be given to my student -- who is basically like my teacher for teaching me some things about FFVI I never knew -- when I leave the site. She shall rule with an Iron thumb! lol

Start:

Facts for Kefka.
Link to bigger picture.

Here is some info on the image.

The Last Judgment is a fresco by Michelangelo on the altar wall of the Sistine Chapel in Vatican City. It took four years to complete. Michelangelo began working on it three decades after finishing the ceiling of the chapel.

The work is massive and spans the entire wall behind the altar of the Sistine Chapel. It was executed from 1537 to 1541. The Last Judgment is a depiction of the second coming of Christ and the apocalypse. The souls of humans rise and descend to their fates, as judged by Christ surrounded by his saints.

The Last Judgment was an object of a heavy dispute between Cardinal Carafa and Michelangelo: the artist was accused of immorality and intolerable obscenity, having depicted naked figures, with genitals in evidence, inside the most important church of Christianity, so a censorship campaign (known as the "Fig-Leaf Campaign") was organized by Carafa and Monsignor Sernini (Mantua's ambassador) to remove the frescoes. When the Pope's own Master of Ceremonies, Biagio da Cesena, said "it was mostly disgraceful that in so sacred a place there should have been depicted all those nude figures, exposing themselves so shamefully," and that it was no work for a papal chapel but rather "for the public baths and taverns," Michelangelo worked the Cesena's semblance into the scene as Minos, judge of the underworld (far bottom-right corner of the painting) with Donkey ears {i.e. foolishness} while his nudity is covered by a coiled snake. It is said that when Cesena complained to the Pope, the pontiff responded that his jurisdiction did not extend to hell, so the portrait would have to remain.

In the painting, Michelangelo does a self portrait depicting himself as St. Bartholomew after he had been flayed (skinned alive) This is reflective of the feelings of contempt Michelangelo had for being commissioned to paint "The Last Judgement".[1] The figure of St. Bartholomew depicts the satirist and erotic writer Pietro Aretino who had tried to extort a valuable drawing from Michelangelo. He holds the painter's flayed skin as a symbol of attempted victimization.
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So, what point I'm making, is that I do believe that Kefka's final form was some what taken from this awesome, deep painting by Michelangelo.
Let me quote something for you again

"The work is massive and spans the entire wall behind the altar of the Sistine Chapel. It was executed from 1537 to 1541. The Last Judgment is a depiction of the second coming of Christ and the apocalypse. The souls of humans rise and descend to their fates, as judged by Christ surrounded by his saints."

The coming of an apocalypse? Hm...I'm pretty positive Kefka caused a(I know Matues was probably more of the shiz than Kefka! But I'm doing this between the rip off Sephiroth and Kefka.) apocalypse when the world died off. Only difference, is that the world began to regain life after he was defeated.

Its also known as the Last Judgment, Final Judgment, Judgment Day. Kefka's move at the end of the game is exactly the same! He is the winged demon from hell itself. He had the wings, he had the long robe-like sash dress! He was the original one winged angel from hell. Sephiroth can't take that from Kefka, he was the first, pure evil villain with the motives that really drives an insane villain to the core.

More will come...lil tired. I'll have me FFVI queen friend help meh out...


Facts for Sephiroth
This will be updated when I either find or am presented with some REAL SOLID prove. Nothing changed by SE or milked off of Cloud and Sephiroth's boob.

No one post until I get the second post up, okay? It'll be the long posts of works. So please, be patient :]

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Need for updates to facts and prove. Please don't delete....
Garland and Lady Lamont, we really, really need spoiler tags! I had to smash everything together...

Paragraphs are separated in the quotes below by hyphens (-) and the words & and numbers in Bold, are different quotes by either me or Garland or anyone else who contributed to the FFVI debate or FFVI battle betweeen FFVII :>

FFVI Quotes from Me:

1: - Cefca's better to me...
If you knew what Cefca went through and exactly how he snapped, than you'd be agreeing with me. But everyone mostly knows what Ted Woosley let people know. I've read the paid bio that came out before FFVI (the makers paid some girl to do a complete bio of Figaro and more). Its quite sad what happened to Cefca. But how he snapped was pure awesomeness that Sephiroth stole from him. And riding meteors to another planet? Since when did he become a Dawn Warrior? Hmmm?
Anyway, Sephy is cool in all, but my Cefca is betta :>
2: - Actually, Kefka was beaten and (please highlight nex text) raped by his orphange's head master back in Thamasa.
So, he was beaten and (raped) so badly. After, he joined the army, moved up ranks and got his job besides the Emperor. Than, after getting his first injection - which came after Celes'- he went star crazy. He snapped and killed another high ranked person in the Emperor's high court.
Finding this out, made the Emperor lower Kefka down some ranks, and in turn, he gave that said job to Leo. Now Kefka is just a court mage or something like that. - And if this wasn't bad enough, Kefka learns that Celes reaches a very high rank (its either general or...um, Corporal) and finally snaps!
Now you now the Kefka of today in a short summary ^^ I hope you enjoyed it. (Side Notes: I didn't get that information from that lame site! I got it from the actual REAL SE books they paid a girl to make >.<)
- I did picked a side. I love both of Kefka's names, that's why I use both at different times lol
- I thought the same thing, Garland. Although everything you just said is true. Sephiroth is a Keftzer, a *Kefka and Setzer* stealing jerk! :<
3: That's what I meant by "Celes getting the injection first" his first one didn't really count since it didn't work.
- Yeah, Admiral! That's right, couldn't think of the right name. Yeah, it happened at a party like thing lol
- I just asked a fellow fan and was corrected. All this stuff is real, made by SE.
Kefka use to be very silent and shy, until after he went to the army. Even after his rape and beatings, he was still shy.
- He snapped later lol which made him the god villain.
4: Garland' post 1 - Everyone seems to believe that you can put whatever you want on a wiki and it gets through. No, once you submit something, it is reviewed and often needs some source material to back these claims up. As Terra put it, all that information did not spawn from the wiki, but from one of SE's Ultimania books, which are basically the ultimate official guides in Japan to the Final Fantasy series.
- Secondly, Celes' theme doesn't sound like Aeris' theme, Aeris's theme sounds like Celes' theme. And what did Sephiroth do? Oh yeah, he's famous for the burning of some random town of Nibelheim and giving the audience "that look" from the fire, which has been milked in every appearance he's been in.
- What's that? he also killed one of your party members? So did Exdeath before him, so did Golbez before -HIM-, and of course emperor Mateus killed off the largest ammount PC's in the entire series, also poisoning a water supply and ruling an empire, similar to what the antagonists of VI had done, -similar- to what the antagonists of VII had done. But atleast VI had the courtesy to wait a bit longer until they borrowed ideas from a previous game.
AVALANCH came right after the Returners after all.
- So in the end, all Sephiroth has for him is a giant Katana, long flowing white anime hair and a black trench coat. The epitamy of cool, huh?
- Regardless there are only two types of rabid VII fans: the kind who started the series with FF VII and judge that it is the best seeing as it was the first to spawn 3D (Lego block) graphics.
The second are the New joiners who never even knew Final Fantasy existed until the release of Advent Children, and still they don't know **** about Cloud or Sephiroth other than "they look cool".
5: My Epic post -

- Wha? Should it matter they aren't party members in FFVI? He killed a whole kingdom in Doma, it doesn't matter if they are NPCs.
Not to mention WHEN Kefka pushed the the Warning Triad together, he not only killed Gestahl, but when the WT was bought together, he had them zap Gaia with the red-blue rays, destroying towns and killing thousands of people.
If that wasn't enough! He killed Espers, and than when the returners were asleep for the WHOLE year, he used the Light of Judgment to kept destroying and killing people to keep them in place.
So, while the Returns slept (save Terra, because right after she fell from the ship and the world was cut up in pieces and people were killed, the now Orphans, found her washed up on a beach and nursed her back to health. Than she learns to care for them.) Those children's parents were murdered by the Light of Judgment.
Than, at the end of the game before the final fight, Kefka killed even more people. Than, when Kefka died, Espers died because Kefka was the Warning Triad, which kept the Espers alive and gave them their magic.

No, Kefka is modeled after the author Franz Kefka. They also modeled him after a shark, which is why they call him the "Shark of the Empire".
Oh, and on Wiki, the admin or whatever you call em, check what you put down to see if its real. So they won't let fake ****e on the sites.
- As Garland said, they are official books from SE. Before FFVI was made, SE asked either a guy or girl (I can't tell by the name) to write a full background story for Figaro and the game. It was released under the book name of "Final Fantasy VI Adventures Guide Book" and than another title I can't remember. But that later held info on each character. So, what I stated is true, please don't say other wise. It hurts me feelings

- Actually, if you must know, Nobuo Uematsu, stated he based Aerith's theme song is based off of 1:00 (minute) into Celes' Opera song, her theme song to be precise. Which is why you can hear the same notes and basically the same tones and beats.
- No, Kefka isn't known as the "lol I'm insane kind" of guy. He is INSANE. The way he thinks, moves, kills, speaks....its driven off of his sad and lonely life. He's sadistic and evil. He lost his mind, which is why he comes off the way he does. He's not meant to be the "AHAHAH! Look at him, he's so goofy."
He is meant to be "Oh my god....what is that madman doing to that poor girl with green hair!"
- Kefka is the insane type that people don't want to mangle with!
6: My Epic post 2 -

I didn't take anything personally.
- Kefka's level is the crazy, insane, demented and personal type. He has reasons, but he doesn't at the same time.
- Kefka wants to destroy the world and kill everyone just because! That makes a great, super, big, awesome villain! He also, at some points, wants to kill and destroy for actual reasons. Like how he was treated back in Thamasa and the Empire.
- Sephiroth wants to end things because he found out he has been made into a super human or something to that matter.
I don't hate FVII, I hate anything that came after one of my beloved games of all time. The new games has destroyed 7's image; Sephiroth's the most.
- As Garland pointed out earlier, he said something on a thread about Sephiroth repeating a move? I do believe he said, "giving you that look from the fire"? Anyway, they kept using that till Sephy nipples were sore. I think its pretty clear that someone has to either use his same moves or borrow from earlier, better villains. Poor Kefka, was ripped off and doesn't get any credit.
- I meant no harm, just trying to debate that Kefka is more evil [he is], has killed more [he has] and is more demented [he is].
7: Epic post 3 - - - My opinion though, is based off the real ****e of the game.
-They added that "Sephiroth" cannot die unless Cloud slays him, after the REAL FF7 game. My background info came before the actual game, so mine counts as much as the game itself.
- But in fact, in the old game, he wasn't always immortal. He could die, but it so happened their were so many clones, they couldn't find the right one. Until Cloud gave the black Materia up to the real naked Cloud.
Not to mention, no one else had Materia like the Turks and Cloud's group.
- Unlike Sephy, Kefka can use unlimited amounts of magic at anytime without having to switch between orbs and shove them into his arms or whatnot.
- Kefka is deadly because he is more insane and out of control. If you're going to say "well, Sephiroth killed a main character!"
Well, Kefka actually managed to kill the planet [unlike Sephy or any other FF villain that I can remember..?] and killed off Leo, who is said to be Terra's father figure. He technically kills Terra too, her other half, which is part of her body, soul and mind.
- You're fun to debate with, and I'm sure others would agree! Most people resort to insulting when they can't have their way, you don't. I like that! :}
8: Garland's Post 2 - Guys!!! I think we're going a little over board on the spoilers here, lol we're practically retelling epic spoilers from most of the series. Try to tone it down a bit...k?
- I really hate it when VII fans use the "The ultimania guide States that Sephiroth is invincible and the strongest villain eva!!!"
That' is the exact equivalent of evangelical nutcases quoting the one line of book lavitican in the Bible to disprove Gay marriage rights.
- And if it wasn't for Chaotic mentioning it, I believe Emperor Mateus was the most evil FIRST. He poisoned water supplies first, built a giant Dreadnought to bomb all the cities, then if that wasn't bad enough, conjured a cyclone to destroy the rest of them.
- By far he killed the most NPC's. (Atleast in VI, there are still more than two towns with people alive in them, Mateus practically destroyed everything) he also killed the most Playable characters, which was always the most aggrivating.
- Besides, what am I saying?
If anything Garland is the most Cool, Powerful, and evil boss character in the entire series! He stole a princess's Lute for God's sake!
- Sephiroth seems to get weaker everytime, and if I may quote Advent Children "So bring your JENOVA's and your Sephiroth's, the planet will beat them each and every time."
Sephiroth can haunt the world, but he'll never win, it's practically destiny. Which is what's so lame and predictable about it.
LAST POST I MADE BEFORE MAKING THIS THREAD - Garland clearly said that he hated (?) that FFVII fanboys used the Ultimania for prove, when in fact, it came out AFTER the game, so it can't be real or cannon, considering SE would change it for arguments just like the ones you and I are having.
- What he is saying, is this: "They are the same nutcases who quote the one line in the Bible to disprove Gay marriage rights." He stating FFVII fans who quote that book, are exactly the same as those who quote the Bible to disprove Gay marriage.
Did I explain it right, Garland?
- Gannon and Bowser never, ever killed! :{ What are you talking about? They are classic villains, but not true villains.
- Kefka toyed with Terra's mind before Sephiroth did to Cloud. Kefka wanted revenge, yes seems to fit something. Kefka was extremely powerful, he absorbed the Warning Triad...hm, this looks like FFVII took a lot from FFVI.
Did you know they based Cloud off of Terra? She was originally suppose to be a male, but they changed it so it wouldn't look gay or wrong for a guy to have such a caring heart towards a village of orphans...although, I don't see why men can't feel that way...
- You know what a new friend of mine just suggested to me? Tell, me SephirothEsper, do you know Michelangelo's work of the Final Judgment? Have you've ever seen his, Donatello, Raphael and Leonardo Da Vinci's work?
- Come to this thread, and I'll try my best to explain why Kefka is the best villain out there.
9: Epic Post by Garland 0n the 14th of August 2009 -
I think it makes perfect Sense SephirothEsper, quoting one line in a book to prove a point, was the same in both cases. A decent comparison if you ask me.
- I'm not subjigating your preference for Sephiroth, rather i'm inquiring why he stands out above all others for you. How is he different?
- Half the Villain cast wants revenge against the world, IMO. And to note, those individuals of the series' villains are fairly bland if you ask me.
Zeromus is the king of mind control, he toyed with not just Golbez' mind, but Kain's as well, as well as several others to achieve his goal, of getting revenge on the humans, he was also an Alien (Sound familliar?). Plenty of arch villains were "Extremely Powerful" For half of the Final Fantasy V, everyone was talking about how "Extremely powerful" Exdeath was. Hell, even Garland was mentioned as being, the "strongest swordsman in Cornelia, and how now one has ever beat him". Sephiroth is just another example, for the first half of the game, all you hear about is how powerful and godly and legendary Sephiroth is. In the end though he's one of the easiest bosses, so I guess unlike some villains, he's all flare with no bite.
- Don't shove the wiki down my throat, I've read practically every article, and taking away the poor translation for Final Fantasy VI, Kefka did invent the Heartless Angel move first. Kefka doesn't deserve One-Winged-Angel (Whatever that means) Either meaning that he deserves the title of the one Winged Angel, or the song, doesn't matter. Kefka has Six Wings, and Dancing Mad is a way more epic song than a bunch of people screaming "Sephiros!" over and over again.
- Admit it, the one thing that makes Sephiroth better than the rest is that "HE LOOKS COOL". He has that massive sword and that White Hair and that cool outfit... etc. etc... Zeromus might have his mind control abilities and revenge driven plot and then some... but he's ugly. Exdeath might be a way more difficult and powerful boss... But he's ugly. Mateus might of killed more people... But he's ugly. Kefka might have had everything epic about Sephroth and accomplished much more... But he's ugly. They all lack Sephiroth's "Look" and "attitude" (Shallow character traits) So they all fail at Sephiroth's feet!
- But if that's the case, then I guess Garland Still wins hands down. In Dissidia he practically waltzed right into Sephiroth's personal blacksmith, and said "Make me a Sword like Cloud and Sephiroth's... But make it better!"
- So Garland Wins on looks.

Give us the damn spoiler tags already! :{
We need em...

[Garland]

Kefka's Final Battle was intentionally supposed to be a spoof on Italian renaissance paintings. Michael Angelo's Pietta is a dead give away.

It also drew allusions to Dante's Divine Comedy, another symbolic punn concidering Kefka found this all to be a joke, and that in reality he was transforming the world into another hell.

All the visages of his final form are basically different persona's of Kefka. The theme relates also to the events of Final Fantasy VI aswell. Machines, monstrous beasts and magic were all the foul sins created during the original War of the Magi.
It's renaissance look simply alludes to the style of VI, being a renaissance- Steampunk style.

But to be fair to the otherside, Kefka never succeeded in destroying the world. If he did, the game would be over. Instead he kind of "Broke" the world. He only decided to destroy it during the final encounter, but it was too late by then. The main overlapping theme in VI ended up being human persistance. Humans will always try to preserve themselves even in the darkest of moments, and they will always rebuild. They rebuilt after the War of the Magi 1000 years ago, and they rebuild at the end of the game.

VII's overlapping theme was less to do with humans, and more to do with life and the planet in general. It was kind of a green peace theme. (Take care of our planet, cause it takes care of you)

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Wow, Garland. lol

I'm just talking about the picture and the significant it meant to the character Kefka.
The Last Judgment was about the apocalypse and the end of things.
Yeah, Kefka never technically killed the planet, but if he kept what he was doing, going on, the planet would have died from the lack of life and magic, which explains why the sky was always red-purple and the ocean gray, the ground gray and light brown. No grass.

Of course it is the Steampunk era, I as just saying they got a lot off of Michelangolo's painting and the way the Popes and the Abrahamic religions and the people of that time thought about it.
SE must have given some of that and put it in Kefka's character, without knowing it or knowing it. Because it certainly fits well enough.

VII's overlapping theme was less to do with humans, and more to do with life and the planet in general. It was kind of a green peace theme. (Take care of our planet, cause it takes care of you)

Yes, it was mostly about the planet dying because of how the humans mistreated it; used magic which killed it, abused it...yeah, basic stuff that's really happening now lol

Was just pointing it out...

[Garland]

Kefka's rule brought upon a second apocalypse, the first was caused by the warring triad, the world was "Polluted by magical energy" which is why it looks like it does. Kefka also released many of the Espers and Monsters created and sealed away durring the War of the Magi. Humans and espers played a big role in the ancient war, the world was basically one big battlefield. However in this apocalypse, the Empire and the Returners were destroyed, and instead ruled Kefka, (Who couldn't fight with himself) and a bunch of humans that he just toyed with every once in a while. The Cult of Kefka was formed to appeace KEfka as the amalgamation of all three Goddesses. Which draws myself to believe that the Ancient war had similar Cults which served each of the three individual Goddess's, and thus warred with one another. The relationship to "Espers" and "Monsters" is also very close.
Kefka's apocalypse was no doubt a Calmer apocalypse than the Triad's.

**Also note, Terra's Ultimate Weapon is called the Apocalypse**

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

You're good at this.

Yes, Kefka fused with the Warning Triad and gained their powers. The maker said he considered Kefka as a demi god and a demon, an all powerful being.
When Kefka and the WT (Warnign Triad) fused, he lost even more control over himself and his anger. His insanity grew by ten folds.

He began to argue with himself, but really began to judge the WT - gods and goddess. Slowly, he grew closer to the edge of completely losing it. In the end, he heard of the Returners surviving and began a small little game in his tower, for when they would come, he'd be ready to test them and than fight the final battle.

In the end, Kefka stated he would now destroy everything. Since he is now fused with the WT, his evil and his insanity mixed into the WT and caused him to be the ultimate demi god/demon he was at the end, when you have the final battle against him.

**Yeah, I know. Its one of the coolest weapons ever, next to Ultima Blade and the Light Blade you can steal from Kefka in the final battle.**

Whoo, getting tired lol

[Garland]

Atleast the warring Triad had some self control to nottice what they were doing was wrong, so they turned themselves to stone.

Haha, and all this time I thought Kefka was spending his time in that Tower memorizing his Welcome speech for when Terra and company awaits. "Hello all my firends, and what have you learned today?" "You all sound like lines from a self help book!"

I try not to refer to The PC's as the Returners after the Cataclysm, as Banon and the Returners are pronounced dead.

Yeah, it's just to bad the Apocalypse and the Lightbringer use MP to deliver critical hits. Especially if you set up Terra to reserve MP rather than use it.
Should of been more like Celes' Save the Queen sword.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by Garland

Atleast the warring Triad had some self control to nottice what they were doing was wrong, so they turned themselves to stone.

Haha, and all this time I thought Kefka was spending his time in that Tower memorizing his Welcome speech for when Terra and company awaits. "Hello all my firends, and what have you learned today?" "You all sound like lines from a self help book!"

I try not to refer to The PC's as the Returners after the Cataclysm, as Banon and the Returners are pronounced dead.

Yeah, it's just to bad the Apocalypse and the Lightbringer use MP to deliver critical hits. Especially if you set up Terra to reserve MP rather than use it.
Should of been more like Celes' Save the Queen sword.

Actually, when he fused with WT, it out balanced everything about him and how acts and feels. They didn't only upset the balance of life and death, they out balanced him too. Than at the end, they formed him into the great demi god you had to fight and take done, who is a hundred times harder than Sephiroth, sorry FFVII boys, but its true.

**Yeah, but I gave my Terra MP relics and the Gem box, so she was unbeatabl in both arts - physical and magic. She could take away 9999 and her vigor was only 72-77 and her accuracy was very high, but hey! My Terra was the bomb and will always be the bomb :>

I prefer Ultima Blade and Light Bringer, they are better to use than most.**

[Garland]

Well either way, I beat Kefka in one turn first time I played him.
Never even got to see his moves T.T

Yeah, i gave my Terra a Soul of Thamasa and a Celestriad too, it's just, using Lightbringer or Apocalypse just completely negates the purpose of her concerving MP for battles, since casting spells actually shreds away less MP.

My Terra's Vigor is only above 55 and she can easily take away 9999 with a physical strike.

Cyan was always my favorite character, and I trained him to do 9000+ a hit, even with Masters Scroll Halving his damage.

[Bub]

I'm gonna put this short and simple. Sephiroth!

[fullwall]

Well, actually I've never beaten Kefka, as I couldn't be bothered training enough to beat him - I got pwned the first time. Guess I'm just lazy .

However, I beat Sephy easily.

So I guess Kefka wins. He's also very evil and underhand - poisoined castle, backstabbed Gestahl... etc. He would probably trick Sephiroth into losing.

[Bub]

Sephiroth messes with your head. Kefka just dances around like a fruit. Who cares if he's poisoined castles and backstabbed people. There have been worse people in real life, anybody remember Hitler?

[fullwall]

Correction, Sephiroth messes with an already delusional supposed SOLDIER, with Mako poisoning. Kefka is extremely evil. He annihilates most of the world and reshapes it, remember?

[Garland]

Like I stated before, bub, Zeromus messed with peoples heads long before Sephiroth did. There is nothing that Sephiroth has as a villain except how he looks. Admit it.

[MagitekElite]

Originally Posted by bub150

Sephiroth messes with your head. Kefka just dances around like a fruit. Who cares if he's poisoined castles and backstabbed people. There have been worse people in real life, anybody remember Hitler?

Zeromus (Kain and Cecil) and Kefka (Terra) mind controlled people before Sephiroth did.

Like Fullwall said, Sephiroth is doing this to an already mind controlled, delusional robot.

Kefka is extremely evil. He annihilates most of the world and reshapes it, remember?

I remember it! Kefka is so much better than Sephiroth.
Kefka smashed everyone's dreams and hopes until the very, very end.

Like I stated before, bub, Zeromus messed with peoples heads long before Sephiroth did. There is nothing that Sephiroth has as a villain except how he looks. Admit it.

Looks? What? Early debate I missed or something?

[Garland]

Originally Posted by MagitekElite

Kefka smashed everyone's dreams and hopes until the very, very end.

I laughed so much at that!



and yes, see above at Terra's Large quote box. SephirothEsper, Terra and I had a big Kefka Vs Sephiroth debate on the Dissidia Count Down: News on FF VII thread.

[Bub]

By messing with your head I don't mean mind control. I mean telling you things to make you look back at yourself. Cloud wasn't the only one he did it to. You guys say Kefka backstabbed people, so did Sephiroth... literally. You know the thing with the President of Shinra. And I don't recall Kefka ever cutting of someone he presumed to be his mother's head. Someone said in some debate (not sure which one) that the fact that Kefka just knows his spells is way cooler than just sticking something into your arm and using the spell. I think not, I don't see how saying a bunch of words would make fire come out of your hands. Kefka's just an insane creepy clown that forgot to take his meds.

Oh yeah and Kefka poisoned castles right? Well Sephiroth poisoned the entire planet, you know geostigma.

[Garland]

First off, don't Double post.

Secondly, you're saying that Sephiroth didn't even use mind control, he just took advantage of the situation and talked people to death. If you ask me that's a pretty watered down version of mind control that even a kid could do. If CAIT SITH started telling Cloud that "he's a puppet it's all your fault blah blah blah", i'm sure he'd get the same results out of him. Zeromus took advantage of Golbez's hate, Kain's love and jealousy, even entire Kingdoms and Yang.

Thirdly, Sephiroth didn't really cut off his mothers head, because even if JENOVA was his mother, he knew all to well she was just a statue with a bunch of jelly inside it, if he killed his own human mother while she was baking cookies or something, that would be EVIL!

Last but not least, are you forgeting something? Kefka poisened a Castle near the begining, he DESTROYED civilization in the end! Something Sephiroth could never do.
Kefka has alot more backstory than you think. And even if you're just sticking to the original script, the fact that he was just a man and had no sense of remorse for his actions was enough to give him the best villain award. You feel bad for Sephiroth, you want to KILL kefka. Nuff said.

[Bub]

Sorry about the double post.

I said he PRESUMED she was his mother, obviously she wasn't. Sephiroth tried to destroy the world but failed, It's not his fault Cloud was so strong. No one felt bad for Sephiroth (beside maybe Lucrecia, but she thought he was dead) they all wanted him dead. And Sephiroth wasn't even the one who was killing everybody it was his clone, which shows just how stong he was. You think Sephiroth had remorse for what he did? His facial expressions didn't change whether he was killing someone or just walking down the street. Then again that's how most FF villans are.

[XSephirothEsperX]

Originally Posted by Garland

First off, don't Double post.

Secondly, you're saying that Sephiroth didn't even use mind control, he just took advantage of the situation and talked people to death. If you ask me that's a pretty watered down version of mind control that even a kid could do. If CAIT SITH started telling Cloud that "he's a puppet it's all your fault blah blah blah", i'm sure he'd get the same results out of him. Zeromus took advantage of Golbez's hate, Kain's love and jealousy, even entire Kingdoms and Yang.

Thirdly, Sephiroth didn't really cut off his mothers head, because even if JENOVA was his mother, he knew all to well she was just a statue with a bunch of jelly inside it, if he killed his own human mother while she was baking cookies or something, that would be EVIL!

Last but not least, are you forgeting something? Kefka poisened a Castle near the begining, he DESTROYED civilization in the end! Something Sephiroth could never do.
Kefka has alot more backstory than you think. And even if you're just sticking to the original script, the fact that he was just a man and had no sense of remorse for his actions was enough to give him the best villain award. You feel bad for Sephiroth, you want to KILL kefka. Nuff said.

I believe that Jim Carrey can push three statues like Kefka did, and become "The Most Powerful Being In The World", which means that ANYONE could have done that. Kefka HAD to have got that power. Otherwise, he would've still been the weak, magic using human that he was. So if you ask me, he sort of cheated his way to power.

Sephiroth was EVERYWHERE in FFVII. You didn't know if he was the real thing, or an illusion until you saw him crystalized in a chunk of Materia at the Northern Crater, and he still sent out Sephiroth clones using his own will. You act like burning a town is a small thing, but it really isn't. That day traumatized Cloud so much, that it changed his entire personality. Especially when Aeris died, you hated Sephiroth even more, that you could not wait to finally kill him. He gained control of Black Materia, which summoned the ultimate destructive magic Meteor, which if Cloud and his friends did not stop it in time, would've done what Sephiroth wanted, and became one with the planet itself. Sephiroth's power was virtually unlimited where he could do almost anything he wanted to, since he absorbed the knowledge of the Cetra itself, and gained the power to use magic without having to use Materia.

His Super Nova attack may have been an illusion, but it showed just how much power he had, and I bet he could have made that attack real, and destroyed the galaxy, but of course the hero always wins, so they couldn't do that.