Dissidia: more villians unvieled!

[RedCloud]

Originally Posted by Spira

hmm if they added 1 more character per series entry.. that'd be cooler because you get to play the exciting side characters..

if it were me.. my list would be like this..

I - Matoya (as a Black Mage)
II - Maria (as a ranger-ish girl)
III - Xande
IV - Cain (as a dragoon)
V - Gilgamesh
VI - Shadow (ninja)
VII - Tifa (mnk)
VIII - Quistis (blue mage)
IX - Beatrix (as a paladin.. then again we have Cecil, unless he's dark knight mode)
X - Yuna (summoner)

..anyway.. I don't think how evil the main antagonist is has anything to do with their position as one.. after all, if you consider how Sephiroth and all the other clones have been subconsciously manipulated by Mother all along, the most evil being in FF7 is Jenova... not Sephiroth.. so it doesn' matter to that extent.

Interesting list you got there. Although I can't imagine Yuna running up walls lol unless it was her from X-2.

I still say Sephiroth is hellbent, but Jenova is pretty evil too. I love the whole backstory of her killing the ancients by transforming etc.

Seymour was a cool villain. He finds something out, and so, just decides to put the whole world to rest by killing them all. If you think of how Dissidia is to be told, I think it is something like the Chaos calls upon the villians and the heroes are set against them. So Seymour would have been the choice, not Jecht. But then Jecht and Tidus have their personal conflict. Seymour's conflict was more with everybody else BUT Tidus, as he was still new to Spira.

I think if they added an extra character from each one it would be cool. In the story or whatever, the extra guy could either come along to help the hero or be set against him as sort of the bad guy's lacky.

I just REALLY want to see Vincent, Tifa, Seifer, Seymour, Auron and Cain. Freya would be cool too, I always like the fact that she was a she, but I like that Dragon Knight quality.

And if FFXII was going to be included, I'd say Van and...actually, I can't remember the name of the bad guy...starts with a V...oh, Vayne. But then again, Judge Gabranth looks awesome.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Commandie070792

Y'know, twelve heros and twelve villians is a lot to ask for. I think that rather than saying they should add one more character per game, we should be grateful.

But, if I had to pick, I'd say,

I- (Not much to chose from) Hero of light, Garland
II- Maria, Leon
III- I never played it. How 'bout just some random moogle from it, and a cait sith to ride it.
IV- Cecil, Kain
V- (I downloaded the version of this game from this site, and the translation had the main character's name as Butz, which I'm pretty sure isn't right, but him anyway), Gilgamesh
VI- Terra, and that octapus whose name escapes me
VII- Aeris, Rufus Shinra
VIII- Squall, Rinoa (She was a villian for about fifteen minutes at one point)
IX- Dagger, Garland (He can be in twice!)
X- Tidus, Seymour
X-2- Yuna, LeBlonc (And she can summon Logos and Ormi as a special move)
XII- Balthier, Dr. Cidolfus

We should make a poll for this.

I heard that the line up goes to 1-10 not to 12, but w/e. Is this your line up of possible added characters, or your preference of playable characters, or hero's and villains? Well, atleast i like the fact that you suggested Ultros, he HAS to be in xD

It seems as if the "enemy's" of the main characters are the Rivals. Cecil had a rivalry and grudge against Golbez, Terra wanted to kill Kefka so much. Naturally, if tidus is the main hero in X, his arch rival would be the one that he whined about so often in it. Who would that be, now? Sin? no that was Yuna. Seymour? Tidus thought he was a nuisance, little more. It was his father! He couldn't get his old man past him, and what better way to solve disfunctional family disputes than to let them have at eachother in the battle dome :P .

Therefor, by dedeusing this reasoning, the line up will be:
I- WoL, Garland
II- Firion, Paramecia
III- Luneth, Cloud of Darkness
IV- Cecil, Golbez
V- Bartz, Xdeath
VI-Terra, Kefka
VII- Cloud, Sephiroth
VIII- Squall, (should have been seifer)
IX- Kuja, you-know-who
X- Tidus, Jecht

[RedCloud]

If they DO add more from 8 there would have to be Seifer. He is cool.

[Spira]

from the looks of it, the list of characters only goes from 1-10... but it'd be nice if it went from 1-12...

what annoys me most is that people say 1-12 and automatically they replace XI with X-2 or simply take it out... FFXI EXISTS PEOPLE! If you didn't get to play it, that doesn't mean you have to block it out.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Spira

from the looks of it, the list of characters only goes from 1-10... but it'd be nice if it went from 1-12...

what annoys me most is that people say 1-12 and automatically they replace XI with X-2 or simply take it out... FFXI EXISTS PEOPLE! If you didn't get to play it, that doesn't mean you have to block it out.

I agree whole heartedly, that also ticks me off, but honestly is their any real Main characters in it?

[RedCloud]

XI was a MMO, so does it really have any main characters? X-2 characters would be kinda wierd in a serious fighting game like this. Yuna would be a choice, perhaps, but she'd have no enemy to fight, so they'll leave it out I think, or, she'd just be an extra character.

[Spira]

Shadowlord would be the villian, if based on the core game only.. otherwise Promathia.

as for hero, Volker or Zeid would be the ones who went head to head with Shadowlord. I like Prishe tho, personally. They could also do Aldo or Lion.

alternatively, they could make it similar to FF1s "Light Warrior" and call it "Adventurer" or "Child of Vana'Diel" or "Warrior of the Crystal"

[Garland]

exactly, in FF XI, it's more of a tribute game, concidering most of the characters are based from previous games like Lion. And having "adventurer" as a PC would be very repetetive. That's why they won't go up to XI and because of The Ivalice Alliance games being released recently, they wont do XII either due to their mass publicity. 1-10. No more, no less. Alas no spin off titles either, like tactics.

[FFking]

I don't really think they should add up the FFXI characters. That they inculded "Warrior of Light" or whatever, is bad enough..

[Derek]

Just a suggestion, but could you please link to the source of which you get your news when you post it? It makes it difficult for people who come to check out news to bring it to other sites without actual proof of such news.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Derek

Just a suggestion, but could you please link to the source of which you get your news when you post it? It makes it difficult for people who come to check out news to bring it to other sites without actual proof of such news.

Wow, you just admitted to stealing news posts from FFE and posting them onto other sites without permission. If you have news to announce and wish to use ours, say that you sited it from FFE. Because we cited our stuff from other sites, or game sites, or just got it from personal experiance.

[RedCloud]

^ Umm, there is a link right there. It takes you straight to the image. And if you pay close attention to the address bar when you are viewing the pic, you'll see where it came from.

[Spira]

Originally Posted by Garland

exactly, in FF XI, it's more of a tribute game, concidering most of the characters are based from previous games like Lion. And having "adventurer" as a PC would be very repetetive. That's why they won't go up to XI and because of The Ivalice Alliance games being released recently, they wont do XII either due to their mass publicity. 1-10. No more, no less. Alas no spin off titles either, like tactics.

FFXI is in no way a tribute game. IX was. FFXI is definitely not.
Lion is not based on anyone. Why are people assuming things about FFXI especially when they haven't played it?

Also, I don't think your reasoning for not including XI or XII is in any way sound. Ivalice Alliance is not unlike Compilation of FFVII. FFX has X-2 as well mind you. Both VII and X are more popular than XII by leaps and bounds. VII's publicity is far greater than XII with Crisis Core around the corner.

I think they just chose 1-10 for simplicity.

[Garland]

I would not have characters from FF XII included unless XI was included aswell, otherwise it seems jumpy. FF XI is a MMO and would have no more or less right to be in the game then all the other FF spinoff titles. "Lets put in characters from Chocobo and the magic picture book, or Crystal chronicles! Or how about the spirits within!!" No, i dout that would happen. So, if XI is out, then XII is out too. And even the most die hard XII fans can agree that SE gave them their share of Ivalice. You must also take note that already, this seems to make for a fairly graphic intensive game, and if people wish to have more characters crammed in the series from previous games, that it would be more workable to cut the franchis at X, otherwise they may as well add characters from the next 5 titles yet to be released in the far future. FFVII, though NOT my favorite FF game at all, is in the absolute center of the franchise, and has so many fans that i it would be impossible for them to simply skip VII on to VIII and get away with it.

[Spira]

I still think you're making things a little more complicated that they should be.

The fact of the matter is that they're pretty much ignoring Compilation/sequel/alliance
material when planning each series entry's characters into Dissidia.

That they stop at 10 might be indicative of several things. For one, memory restraints, but none can really say other than the development team...

You're still giving FFXI less credit than it deserves. FFXI shouldn't even be compared to crystal chronicles or chocobo. Square has chosen for it to be a numeric entry. It belongs to the same tier within the FF series as I to X.

in any case, heres how the FF universe can be broken down into tiers.. there should be about 4..

top tier: the core series - All main lineage FFs, ie any purely roman-numeral FF whose title is Final Fantasy #. X-2 is not a number. FFXI thus falls into this tier.

2nd tier: the core series spin-offs - this would include Compilation of VII, Revenant Wings, X-2 as well as Agito and Versus XIII in the future. They still maintain great amount of relevance because they are directly linked to the top tier.

3rd tier: alternate FF families. This would be the Tactics seires, Crystal Chronicles as well as Dissidia itself. They only borrow heavily concepts from the series, enough to allow them to be identified as FFs but distinct enough to not be a part of the core.. nor do some of them really want to be.

4th tier: spin-offs that don't use FFs title at all. Chocobo's series, for example.

...bottom line..

just because FFXI is an MMORPG doesnt change the fact that it is a numeric FF, and it does in fact come with a story, unlike your generic MMO out there.
Just because you'd have to spend $12 a month to keep playing FFXI doesn't mean it is less of a core series FF. And to that extent just because you aren't paying that $12 a month to have actually tried FFXI you really shouldn't be making any statements about it as if you know better.

In any case. XI actuallly feels more FF than VII, VIII, X or XII.

[Garland]

Though the main reason for cutting the game line up short in dissidia, is because of memory and tech restraints, they more or less thought that fielding characters from XI would complicate matters. Commandie, though ignorant as he is, speaks the truth. Because of the subscription fee's and new Play station hardware or PC alternative, XI was skiped by a lot of FF fans. Square believed that it would do so well, that they deemed it in the 1st tier with impulse. In this, they decided that releasing FFXII's mythos into dissidia would anger and receive complaints from FFXI fans, so they decided to cut it at the last game made about 4-5 years ago. Final Fantasy has forever been an expanding universe. If the D&D style FF from the original, and tributes that followed afterwards are "more true" to the franchise then the more Steam Punk- Robo tech styles of some of the others, then you mide as well take out VI too. It had guns and robots, and factories and airships (wait a second, V had a floating robot castle, IV had a Giant robot and a factory, IX had fleets of various airships, i guess they're all not true to the series, not even THE ORIGINAL) Their all different, but they all had more similarities than moogle or chocobo references.

[Geno]

Originally Posted by Garland

I would not have characters from FF XII included unless XI was included aswell, otherwise it seems jumpy. FF XI is a MMO and would have no more or less right to be in the game then all the other FF spinoff titles. "Lets put in characters from Chocobo and the magic picture book, or Crystal chronicles! Or how about the spirits within!!" No, i dout that would happen. So, if XI is out, then XII is out too. And even the most die hard XII fans can agree that SE gave them their share of Ivalice. You must also take note that already, this seems to make for a fairly graphic intensive game, and if people wish to have more characters crammed in the series from previous games, that it would be more workable to cut the franchis at X, otherwise they may as well add characters from the next 5 titles yet to be released in the far future. FFVII, though NOT my favorite FF game at all, is in the absolute center of the franchise, and has so many fans that i it would be impossible for them to simply skip VII on to VIII and get away with it.

Actually, that wouldn't be such a bad idea. Crystal Chronicles may have been unique, but it had enough familiar elements to be considered a true Final Fantasy game. I would love to be able to play as Yuri, Chelinka, or Gnash (From FFCC: Ring of Fates for the DS) in Dissidia.

As for Chocobo's Magic Picture book, I'm actually hoping that Chocobo makes an appearance, at LEAST as a side character, in Dissidia. The same goes for Shiroma, and Chroma.




Yet another character they could bring back is Geno. Most of you have no idea who he is. He is a character from the Nintendo and Square game, Super Mario RPG. He is a registered Square character, so they could easily bring him back. There is actually quite a large demand for him to appear in another game, and an appearance in Dissidia would be interesting. And before you say "he wasn't in any FF game though!!". SMRPG had a ton of Final Fantasy cameos and elements, and Geno would be easy to include in a later Final Fantasy, he would fit in perfectly.

[Garland]

Originally Posted by Geno

Yet another character they could bring back is Geno. Most of you have no idea who he is. He is a character from the Nintendo and Square game, Super Mario RPG. He is a registered Square character, so they could easily bring him back. There is actually quite a large demand for him to appear in another game, and an appearance in Dissidia would be interesting. And before you say "he wasn't in any FF game though!!". SMRPG had a ton of Final Fantasy cameos and elements, and Geno would be easy to include in a later Final Fantasy, he would fit in perfectly.

Geno!

Ah yes, SMRPGLoTSS was my favorite game for the snes, and i was quite disapointed that its style didn't have influence on Mario's later rpgs. I wouldn't mind having the Axem rangers as a villain in dissidia, or seeing a chocobo beat up sephiroth. It could be like the kangeroo from teken ^-^

[Spira]

Barriers to entry can hardly be cited as the reason why any core FF shouldn't be regarded as one. In the first place, when FF transcended from PS1 to PS2, the cost of the PS2 was a barrier to entry, just as the HDD for PS2 was in the case of FFXI. When FF13 hits the PS3, are you going to cite 'high costs of console' to reason it as not being a true numeric FF? FFXI is also available on the PC anyway. With it being available on the XBox360 as well, there are virtually no barriers to entry if you own at least 1 next-gen gaming console or a PC. There is no excuse.
Cost can only be a factor to the number of people who play it. It however, cannot qualify if it as true FF or not.

In any case, perhaps many FF fans have skipped out, but at the same time many of the fans have actually taken the effort to experience XI. FF has also gained thousands of new fans through this series entry. I don't know why people seem to think FFXI is some horribly unpopular game. Its making the most money for Square-Enix amongst all its games, did you know?

In any case, when have I mentioned that feeling FF is about being D&D style? That is an assumption on your part. It also leads me to believe that you really don't know what you're talking about here.

The Final Fantasy style that is prevalant across the series incorporates 1 main element, ie. the crystals. FFXI is definitely more true to the franchise because its story revolves around the great Crystal that was sundered for Vana'Diel to be born, and the 5 mothercrystals later on. VII, VIII, X and XII have none of these elements. You could argue about the validity of nethicite, materia and spheres as being crystals, but because they have never been explicitly mentioned as crystals, they aren' the same thing. With FFVI, crystals do not exist, so you're right that I could rule VI out too.

FF is also a mix of modern and traditional fantasy elements. Airships are one of these core elements. Chocobos have become one of them. Advanced robots or magically animated objects as monsters have always been recurring monsters in the series. Don't forget DeathMachine or Omega.
If you're looking towards more traditional FF, theres also the fact of the job system. Red Mage, Dragoon, Summoner, Blue Mage.. these are FF-specific staples now.

Finally, if you think that FFXI doesnt have robots, flying castles or airships... I still say you don't know what you're talking about