Dissidia: News on Final Fantasy VII

[XSephirothEsperX]

Originally Posted by EdgarAnTerraFigaro

Wha? Should it matter they aren't party members in FFVI? He killed a whole kingdom in Doma, it doesn't matter if they are NPCs.
Not to mention WHEN Kefka pushed the the Warning Triad together, he not only killed Gestahl, but when the WT was bought together, he had them zap Gaia with the red-blue rays, destroying towns and killing thousands of people.
If that wasn't enough! He killed Espers, and than when the returners were asleep for the WHOLE year, he used the Light of Judgment to kept destroying and killing people to keep them in place.
So, while the Returns slept (save Terra, because right after she fell from the ship and the world was cut up in pieces and people were killed, the now Orphans, found her washed up on a beach and nursed her back to health. Than she learns to care for them.) Those children's parents were murdered by the Light of Judgment.
Than, at the end of the game before the final fight, Kefka killed even more people. Than, when Kefka died, Espers died because Kefka was the Warning Triad, which kept the Espers alive and gave them their magic.



No, Kefka is modeled after the author Franz Kefka. They also modeled him after a shark, which is why they call him the "Shark of the Empire".
Oh, and on Wiki, the admin or whatever you call em, check what you put down to see if its real. So they won't let fake ****e on the sites.

As Garland said, they are official books from SE. Before FFVI was made, SE asked either a guy or girl (I can't tell by the name) to write a full background story for Figaro and the game.
It was released under the book name of "Final Fantasy VI Adventures Guide Book" and than another title I can't remember. But that later held info on each character.
So, what I stated is true, please don't say other wise. It hurts me feelings



Actually, if you must know, Nobuo Uematsu, stated he based Aerith's theme song is based off of 1:00 (minute) into Celes' Opera song, her theme song to be precise. Which is why you can hear the same notes and basically the same tones and beats.

No, Kefka isn't known as the "lol I'm insane kind" of guy. He is INSANE. The way he thinks, moves, kills, speaks....its driven off of his sad and lonely life. He's sadistic and evil. He lost his mind, which is why he comes off the way he does. He's not meant to be the "AHAHAH! Look at him, he's so goofy."
He is meant to be "Oh my god....what is that madman doing to that poor girl with green hair!"

Kefka is the insane type that people don't want to mangle with!

I know my Final Fantasy VI, I know everything.

It's good you know everything about FF6, just like I know everything about FF7. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, I just hate it when people hate on FF7 for no apparent reason and that it didn't deserve the credit it did back then. It was a great game that amazed me, and I really got into the story, the characters, music, everything. And FF6 and FF5 were good too as well, but as good as those games were, FF7 is top on my list, with FF6 coming close. I admit, I do imitations of Kefka from time to time and I even make myself laugh, as well as I do imitations of Sephiroth. What Kefka did was on a more crazy level, and what Sephiroth did was on a more personal/demented level. I like them both and I think it's just silly that we're arguing over ficticious characters. They're both great, simple as that.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

It's good you know everything about FF6, just like I know everything about FF7. I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, I just hate it when people hate on FF7 for no apparent reason and that it didn't deserve the credit it did back then. It was a great game that amazed me, and I really got into the story, the characters, music, everything. And FF6 and FF5 were good too as well, but as good as those games were, FF7 is top on my list, with FF6 coming close. I admit, I do imitations of Kefka from time to time and I even make myself laugh, as well as I do imitations of Sephiroth. What Kefka did was on a more crazy level, and what Sephiroth did was on a more personal/demented level. I like them both and I think it's just silly that we're arguing over ficticious characters. They're both great, simple as that.

I didn't take anything personally.

Kefka's level is the crazy, insane, demented and personal type. He has reasons, but he doesn't at the same time.

Kefka wants to destroy the world and kill everyone just because! That makes a great, super, big, awesome villain! He also, at some points, wants to kill and destroy for actual reasons. Like how he was treated back in Thamasa and the Empire.

Sephiroth wants to end things because he found out he has been made into a super human or something to that matter.
I don't hate FVII, I hate anything that came after one of my beloved games of all time. The new games has destroyed 7's image; Sephiroth's the most.

As Garland pointed out earlier, he said something on a thread about Sephiroth repeating a move? I do believe he said, "giving you that look from the fire"?
Anyway, they kept using that till Sephy nipples were sore. I think its pretty clear that someone has to either use his same moves or borrow from earlier, better villains.
Poor Kefka, was ripped off and doesn't get any credit.

I meant no harm, just trying to debate that Kefka is more evil [he is], has killed more [he has] and is more demented [he is].

[XSephirothEsperX]

Well everyone has their different opinions, I think they're both equally good. I've heard somewhere that there's this thing called The Reunion Files or something, and it says no one is stronger than Sephiroth, as well as it says in Ultimania, Sephiroth can never die.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

- - My opinion though, is based off the real ****e of the game. - -

They added that "Sephiroth" cannot die unless Cloud slays him, after the REAL FF7 game. My background info came before the actual game, so mine counts as much as the game itself.

But in fact, in the old game, he wasn't always immortal. He could die, but it so happened their were so many clones, they couldn't find the right one. Until Cloud gave the black Materia up to the real naked Cloud.
Not to mention, no one else had Materia like the Turks and Cloud's group.

Unlike Sephy, Kefka can use unlimited amounts of magic at anytime without having to switch between orbs and shove them into his arms or whatnot.

Kefka is deadly because he is more insane and out of control. If you're going to say "well, Sephiroth killed a main character!"
Well, Kefka actually managed to kill the planet [unlike Sephy or any other FF villain that I can remember..?] and killed off Leo, who is said to be Terra's father figure. He technically kills Terra too, her other half, which is part of her body, soul and mind.

You're fun to debate with, and I'm sure others would agree! Most people resort to insulting when they can't have their way, you don't. I like that! :}

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Wait wait someone else in the FF series killed a planet besides Kefka (Kuja).Seph is a good character strong collected and what not but Kefka that ma****a crazy and he had power to back it up he didn't care who he destroyed but on the other hand Seph only want to get back at Cloud notice in most spin off games that include him and Cloud THEY battle not anyone else even if other members are included

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

I've never play IX...so I wouldn't have known that. And none of my semi friends have either lol

Kefka did it first and better ^^

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Originally Posted by EdgarAnTerraFigaro

I've never play IX...so I wouldn't have known that. And none of my semi friends have either lol

Kefka did it first and better ^^

Am I like the only one who played nearly all FF since the first and played remakes and what not *shakes head* Kefka destroyed the world but it still was in existance when Kuja ddid it the planet was gone it just ****in went *Ultima on Planet Terra *
Boom gone :O

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

I couldn't get it cause I couldn't find a copy for a low price since the game came out lol

Ultima on Terra? There are two planets, aren't there? He used one of my fav spells! :}

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Yeah there was Gaia(main planet where most of the game is on) and Terra (where Zidane,Kuja,Garland, are from) Kuja is sort of like a cross between seph and kuja (to me) dresses strangely but is calm but then snaps and tries to destroy the world

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Garland came from there?

Yeah, aren't Zidane and Kuja angels? One dark and the other light? Brothers or something?

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Originally Posted by EdgarAnTerraFigaro

Garland came from there?

Yeah, aren't Zidane and Kuja angels? One dark and the other light? Brothers or something?

Angels of death that suppose to lead gaia to it's destruction kuja got jealous over zidane and dropped him on gaia yeah not gettin into it to much but techincally they are brothers

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Aw, pretty cool!

On topic:
Do you think Sephy will try to sound better and act better in this than in the movie?

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Truthfully he sounds just as arrogant as always sorta like his AC self

[XSephirothEsperX]

Originally Posted by EdgarAnTerraFigaro

- - My opinion though, is based off the real ****e of the game. - -

They added that "Sephiroth" cannot die unless Cloud slays him, after the REAL FF7 game. My background info came before the actual game, so mine counts as much as the game itself.

But in fact, in the old game, he wasn't always immortal. He could die, but it so happened their were so many clones, they couldn't find the right one. Until Cloud gave the black Materia up to the real naked Cloud.
Not to mention, no one else had Materia like the Turks and Cloud's group.

Unlike Sephy, Kefka can use unlimited amounts of magic at anytime without having to switch between orbs and shove them into his arms or whatnot.

Kefka is deadly because he is more insane and out of control. If you're going to say "well, Sephiroth killed a main character!"
Well, Kefka actually managed to kill the planet [unlike Sephy or any other FF villain that I can remember..?] and killed off Leo, who is said to be Terra's father figure. He technically kills Terra too, her other half, which is part of her body, soul and mind.

You're fun to debate with, and I'm sure others would agree! Most people resort to insulting when they can't have their way, you don't. I like that! :}

Well I don't like to be childish about it, that's why. Sephiroth is still powerful, nonetheless. He executed missions with absolute perfection when back in SOLDIER, and he got even stronger when he turned to the dark side. He was the best of the best in FF7, and that is what I like about him. To me, I don't think it matters what any villain in the series did, they all did they're fair shares of crimes in their own different worlds, which is what makes them unique.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Yeah, but see, Kefka did more evil, he killed more.He was ten times more evil than Sephiroth. Sephy didn't really kill a lot of people.

Kefka is unique because he is the bomb, the best, the coolest most evilest villain :}

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Ya see saying seph is more evil is some ole bull**** because i can name about two or three FF villians just as evil or eviller than seph and i will

Kefka:for damn sure

Mateus he poisoned ppl before kefka,leveled a whole town,died THEN came back bringin a dungeon with him then when he did die had a light side just as evil

and Kuja he did what seph didnt do he made an army of black mages that destroyed cities,brought turmoil everywhere he walked,took summons and destroyed even more places,got mad tranced owned the party not once but twice and destoyed a world and the crystal that everything came from

BOOYA

[XSephirothEsperX]

But Sephiroth did come close, and I think that we haven't even seen his true power yet. I bet that he has the power to rule the universe. They just aren't letting him yet. As he keeps returning, he'll get stronger, and stronger. As long as the Jenova cells still exist, he will return again, and again.

[Garland]

Guys!!! I think we're going a little over board on the spoilers here, lol we're practically retelling epic spoilers from most of the series. Try to tone it down a bit...k?

I really hate it when VII fans use the "The ultimania guide States that Sephiroth is invincible and the strongest villain eva!!!"
That' is the exact equivalent of evangelical nutcases quoting the one line of book lavitican in the Bible to disprove Gay marriage rights.

And if it wasn't for Chaotic mentioning it, I believe Emperor Mateus was the most evil FIRST. He poisoned water supplies first, built a giant Dreadnought to bomb all the cities, then if that wasn't bad enough, conjured a cyclone to destroy the rest of them.

By far he killed the most NPC's. (Atleast in VI, there are still more than two towns with people alive in them, Mateus practically destroyed everything) he also killed the most Playable characters, which was always the most aggrivating.


Besides, what am I saying?
If anything Garland is the most Cool, Powerful, and evil boss character in the entire series! He stole a princess's Lute for God's sake!

Sephiroth seems to get weaker everytime, and if I may quote Advent Children "So bring your JENOVA's and your Sephiroth's, the planet will beat them each and every time."
Sephiroth can haunt the world, but he'll never win, it's practically destiny. Which is what's so lame and predictable about it.

[EdgarAnTerraFigaro]

Originally Posted by XSephirothEsperX

But Sephiroth did come close, and I think that we haven't even seen his true power yet. I bet that he has the power to rule the universe. They just aren't letting him yet. As he keeps returning, he'll get stronger, and stronger. As long as the Jenova cells still exist, he will return again, and again.

Garland, maybe the forum needs spoiler tags? It could help with a lot of things...


SPOILER......?


He doesn't get stronger and stronger. Its never said that. He told Cloud that he could get stronger from Cloud's anger, despair and things like that. He doesn't really mean it, and besides that, its stupid to think "Jenova cells" did that to him. I think Cloud and Sephiroth got ****ed out of the growth cells they needed lol
/SPOILER

Which FF game had Mateus again? I forget lol [did you guys know that "Matues" means Matthew?]

[Garland]

Mateus Palamecia, Emperor of the Palamecian empire. The main Antagonist of Final Fantasy II.

SPOILER......?


Emperor of Heaven and Hell.