How insane WAS Sephiroth?

Kionae · 02-02-2007, 11:15 PM

Despite having played through the original game 9 or 10 times at this point, I'm still undecided on this.

Granted, Sephiroth was clearly not in his right mind went he burned down Nibelheim, killed anyone who looked at him funny, ripped Jenova's head off, was finally tossed into the core of a Mako reactor (or, if you prefer the Last Order version, jumped into the core of a Mako Reactor).

But what about beforehand? He doesn't come across as deranged earlier in the game... but he doesn't seem quite normal from a mental perspective, either. So, was he a latent psychopath the whole time who just needed that extra little nudge to send him over the edge... or was it a mental break stemming from something so awful that his only way of dealing with it was to begin a murderous rampage?

The Dude · 02-02-2007, 11:49 PM

could be like post traumatic stress disorder when you experience something beyond your imagination that your mind can't take the reality of it or the strain.

Kionae · 02-03-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MistaRob

could be like post traumatic stress disorder when you experience something beyond your imagination that your mind can't take the reality of it or the strain.

On the other hand, it could be that all of the experimentation and genetic manipulation he endured in utero left him predisposed to psychosis.

Suikolove · 02-03-2007, 12:24 AM

Or he could have just been pretending not to be a psychopath when he was chilling out with Cloud and Zack.

Ragnarok · 02-03-2007, 12:51 AM

I beieve he was not crazy at all. He just truly believed in Jenova and allowed her to manipulate him. Basically he was just her pawn she used to obtain her goals.

VictoriaValentine · 02-03-2007, 08:50 AM

I don't think Sephiroth was genuinely mad before the Nibelheim incident. He appeared to be quite normal (as he could be), and genuine. I think that he may have grown up never knowing his mother, and having a deranged scientist for a father could have messed him up slightly at first. Not to mention, he was a general of the army, always surviving while others died. It can't be easy to go through all that and not lose himself slightly. I think the Nibelheim incident tipped him over the edge, with all his problems building up on him.

Scrutator · 02-03-2007, 12:44 PM

I go along with the idea that it was more to do with Jenova's influence that made him turn rather than his own sanity being damaged from the start although finding out the truth of his birth probably would have made it easier to accept her control over him.

stitchphil · 02-04-2007, 05:13 AM

He looked pretty sane to me until the Nibelheim incident. Just that he didn't question too much about his past and pretty much followed orders.

So it was pretty unfortunate that he stumbled across the library and his past, it would have been a rude shock to him, and all he stood for that it'll have pushed him over the edge.

itcouldbesweet · 02-04-2007, 05:35 AM

Before the Nibelheim burning I didn't really view him as a person with mental health problems. I just found him to be highly arrogant.

Axel · 02-04-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VictoriaValentine

I don't think Sephiroth was genuinely mad before the Nibelheim incident. He appeared to be quite normal (as he could be), and genuine. I think that he may have grown up never knowing his mother, and having a deranged scientist for a father could have messed him up slightly at first. Not to mention, he was a general of the army, always surviving while others died. It can't be easy to go through all that and not lose himself slightly. I think the Nibelheim incident tipped him over the edge, with all his problems building up on him.

Yes he was driven insane.

The Man · 02-04-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LyingEyes

Before the Nibelheim burning I didn't really view him as a person with mental health problems. I just found him to be highly arrogant.

This. Also, I've always been of the opinion that without Jenova's influence, he would never have turned insane. Which doesn't do much for the "Sephiroth is a badass lololol" opinions floated by most of the most flagrant FFVII fanboys.

Daryl Falchion · 02-04-2007, 06:15 PM

He was ****ing bat**** insane. But then, so was most of the cast of FF7. lols

Axel · 02-04-2007, 11:18 PM

The rest of the cast was okay, but cid was also insane XD

Rennard · 02-05-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LyingEyes

Before the Nibelheim burning I didn't really view him as a person with mental health problems. I just found him to be highly arrogant.

That's how I felt about him too.

The way I always thought about it was he lost his mind due to the overwhelming reality of what he was, and jenova took him over in that time of vulnerability.

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The rest of the cast was okay, but cid was also insane XD

Cid's the man. *drools*

Necro · 02-05-2007, 01:02 PM

Pfft, I can't doubt if he was sane or not, but he was used as an alias [Along with Reno] in a murder a while ago, maybe Sephiroth plants the seed of insanity and lets fools like them damaged the sacred name of Final Fantasy. I would question the sanity of a man who's hair is grey/white at such a young age. =\

But, back to the game, he was a bit of a nut case, but in a world like that...whats real? Or normal at that matter? It seems you're all writing your own fan fiction here...

Milly · 02-05-2007, 01:04 PM

I think you guys seriously need to take a good hard look at your lives. You're speaking in depth about a video game. A badly written video game.

Tethar Atrum · 02-05-2007, 03:08 PM

I don't think he was insane before Nibleheim admitedly he was not the poster boy for friends of the world but he was not killing everyone left and right. I think the ideas that were forced upon him real or not made him question everything about himself so his mind made up some random **** to deal with the situation in a way that spared his mind unbearable amounts of anguish.

After that incident I think he was totally sane he just hated and dispised all humans. Hating humans and wanting to be all powerful does not make you insane just very very open minded.

Naked Gackt · 02-06-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Milly

I think you guys seriously need to take a good hard look at your lives. You're speaking in depth about a video game. A badly written video game.

Surprising to find that on a Final Fantasy forum isn't it?

I AM THE CAPS MONSTER · 02-06-2007, 01:07 PM

Vincent Valentine · 02-06-2007, 06:08 PM

He was pretty ****ing crazy.

Let's just leave it at that

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The Dude I <3 Jak Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Scranton. Where the Office is filmed Age: 22 Posts: 2,418 Rep Power: 8	could be like post traumatic stress disorder when you experience something beyond your imagination that your mind can't take the reality of it or the strain. __________________ FFOF Got a question or want to tell us why we suck? Click Here!

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Suikolove Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Age: 22 Posts: 157 Rep Power: 5	Or he could have just been pretending not to be a psychopath when he was chilling out with Cloud and Zack. __________________ L E A G U E of S O C I A L I S T D E M O C R A T S Gentlemen, need some time away from the wife? Join your local socialist party!

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VictoriaValentine Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: England Age: 19 Posts: 39 Rep Power: 4	I don't think Sephiroth was genuinely mad before the Nibelheim incident. He appeared to be quite normal (as he could be), and genuine. I think that he may have grown up never knowing his mother, and having a deranged scientist for a father could have messed him up slightly at first. Not to mention, he was a general of the army, always surviving while others died. It can't be easy to go through all that and not lose himself slightly. I think the Nibelheim incident tipped him over the edge, with all his problems building up on him. __________________

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Axel Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 16 Posts: 55 Rep Power: 4	The rest of the cast was okay, but cid was also insane XD __________________

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Necro Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Broken Hill Age: 16 Posts: 808 Rep Power: 5	Pfft, I can't doubt if he was sane or not, but he was used as an alias [Along with Reno] in a murder a while ago, maybe Sephiroth plants the seed of insanity and lets fools like them damaged the sacred name of Final Fantasy. I would question the sanity of a man who's hair is grey/white at such a young age. =\ But, back to the game, he was a bit of a nut case, but in a world like that...whats real? Or normal at that matter? It seems you're all writing your own fan fiction here... __________________ construction.

02-03-2007, 12:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ragnarok Brotherhood of War Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: California Age: 19 Posts: 218 Rep Power: 4	I beieve he was not crazy at all. He just truly believed in Jenova and allowed her to manipulate him. Basically he was just her pawn she used to obtain her goals.

02-03-2007, 12:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Scrutator Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Age: 23 Posts: 288 Rep Power: 4	I go along with the idea that it was more to do with Jenova's influence that made him turn rather than his own sanity being damaged from the start although finding out the truth of his birth probably would have made it easier to accept her control over him.

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stitchphil Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Singapore Age: 24 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 4	He looked pretty sane to me until the Nibelheim incident. Just that he didn't question too much about his past and pretty much followed orders. So it was pretty unfortunate that he stumbled across the library and his past, it would have been a rude shock to him, and all he stood for that it'll have pushed him over the edge.

02-04-2007, 05:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
itcouldbesweet Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 22 Posts: 322 Rep Power: 4	Before the Nibelheim burning I didn't really view him as a person with mental health problems. I just found him to be highly arrogant.

02-04-2007, 06:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Daryl Falchion Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 28 Posts: 339 Rep Power: 4	He was **ing bat** insane. But then, so was most of the cast of FF7. lols

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Milly Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rhode Island Age: 19 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 4	I think you guys seriously need to take a good hard look at your lives. You're speaking in depth about a video game. A badly written video game. __________________ L E A G U E of S O C I A L I S T D E M O C R A T S Gentlemen, need some time away from the wife? Join your local socialist party!

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Tethar Atrum Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 21 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 4	I don't think he was insane before Nibleheim admitedly he was not the poster boy for friends of the world but he was not killing everyone left and right. I think the ideas that were forced upon him real or not made him question everything about himself so his mind made up some random **** to deal with the situation in a way that spared his mind unbearable amounts of anguish. After that incident I think he was totally sane he just hated and dispised all humans. Hating humans and wanting to be all powerful does not make you insane just very very open minded.

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I AM THE CAPS MONSTER Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SomeWhere Age: 16 Posts: 364 Rep Power: 4	Yea.

02-06-2007, 06:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
Vincent Valentine Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Reading, MA Age: 18 Posts: 31 Rep Power: 4	He was pretty ****ing crazy. Let's just leave it at that

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