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Old 02-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Recently in my city, some kids put a live puppy in an oven and baked it to death. They won't be getting out of jail for something like 10 years, I believe, but animal rights activists were calling for a life sentence.

Should such abuse carry a heavier or alternative punishment? Discuss.
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Old 02-11-2007, 07:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Meh, a dog is a living thing...but so are carrots.

The question I ask you is, should I be imprisoned for a life term just because I ate a carrot?
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I don't think they're being jailed for killing the dog. I think in these cases what needs to be proved is intent to cause suffering to the animal. Many of us eat animals but they are slaughtered by and large in the most sudden and painless way possible. I would say that if you have the intent to cause pain and suffering to a living thing, and you actually do it, then you need counselling to deal with it and that needs to be manditory, but a life sentence for cooking a dog? B.S.
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Recently in my city, some kids put a live puppy in an oven and baked it to death. They won't be getting out of jail for something like 10 years, I believe, but animal rights activists were calling for a life sentence.

Should such abuse carry a heavier or alternative punishment? Discuss.
Alternative punishment. Putting someone away for 10 years is going to do nothing but create anger and resentment, not rehabilitate.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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A life sentence would be going quite a bit too far, but on the other hand as long as we punish other offenses with jail time, this seems like it would deserve at least some jail time. Anyone who would do such a thing would have to be extremely ****ed in the head, though, so I wouldn't be able to approve of any jail time unless it also included counseling.

Though tbh, the American jail system is quite ****ed up and it doesn't surprise me why we have such a high rate of recidivism. Read.
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Animal cruelity is horrible! But a life sentance is unreasonable, there are murders who sluaghter and torture humans and only get put into jail for 3 years and even less and the get thrown back into the streets again. I hate when people abuse animals though, and puting a dog in an oven is sick! :deadhorse: ugh!...
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So what? They bake dogs in China, sell them at restaurants and eat them.

If the dog actually belonged to someone else and the owner did not give them permission to do that, then I would see that they might have deserved some sort of punishment. But life sentence is a bit too harsh. If it was their own dog, well, what you choose to do to the things you own is none of the activists' business, so long as what you're doing is within the law.

Besides, labs also use animal testing.
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baking them is bad enough but you shouldn't bake them alive.
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Meh, a dog is a living thing...but so are carrots.

The question I ask you is, should I be imprisoned for a life term just because I ate a carrot?
Your sister eats cucumbers, you both should rot in jail.

Thats about all I can say, we cant save the thing. Though, anytime in jail would be pointless over a the blood for a dog. Whats the difference between a kid killing a gold fish and baking a dog? There both animals, unless you're discriminative to the fact that one animal is not as worthy as the other?
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Yeah, I think it's not so much the fact that they baked it as they did it while it was still alive.
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i don't like it but it's alright to cook them when they're dead but when they're alive? that's just pointless, mean, and disgusting as it melts. it's like that one women who put her new born in an oven.
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Animal cruelty should definitely be punished big time. I think rules against animal cruelty should be strictly enforced i.e. in factory farming. If I can't stand one thing it's animal cruelty, in fact if I see someone kick a dog or anything it's going to be a total beatdown fest.
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If I can't stand one thing it's animal cruelty, in fact if I see someone kick a dog or anything it's going to be a total beatdown fest.
i totally agree with that.
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Was it a stray dog, or was it someone else's? Because I'd expect they'd pay less attention if it was a stray, just like what you do with fish that you catch, rather than someone else's goldfish.
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Was it a stray dog, or was it someone else's? Because I'd expect they'd pay less attention if it was a stray, just like what you do with fish that you catch, rather than someone else's goldfish.
if it wasn't a stray it might have been on purpose.
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I ran over a rabbit today..


I kinda agree with Animal punishment, but serving more than 20 years for starving a dog or cooking a cat is outragous.
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cooking a cat 10 years at least. starving a dog 5 years at most.
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Yeah... see, there's so many human crimes and injustices going on that I have a really hard time get worked up over what happens to animals. Its not that you have to draw a line anywhere, but my grey area is definatly divided between human issues, which matter to me, and animals ones, which don't.
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In all honesty, yes, baking an animal alive is borderline inhumane, and should be punished in some fashion; but I don't believe in putting people in jail for such things. I mean, it's sick, it's cruel, it's what ever other adjective you want to attach it to; but we spend so much tax money on jail inmates already...not to mention they're over-full. I'm sure there are more creative (or even theraputic) ways of dealing with these people that are infinately cheaper than jailing them. We should be spending our tax dollars jailing murderers, rapists, child molesters, and big time theft/drug people, than puppy killers.

Actually, now I wonder how much money is going towards keeping people like this in jail. Total waste of money.
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meh. I'm not a big fan of our prison system in the first place - this post provides even more evidence as to why not - but I really can't think of anything that qualifies more as evil than deliberately causing unnecessary pain to other living creatures, be they human or not. It doesn't bother me so much to see people who harm animals being punished (although not with rape) as it does to see people whose only crimes are drug offenses. They've done nothing to harm anyone except, arguably, themselves.
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