Why no Cerberus?

[GRAV]

Chrono............................................ ...........................

That about sums that up^_^ damned silent non talking heroes=/

[darkeclipse21]

well yes.....that's true.......but that could provide more comedy then it did in their respective games.

well......check out the site i listed. Inside the gamer's studio #3.

[GRAV]

Lol. maybe.

Will do.

[Garland]

I don't think that Kingdom Hearts is soley aiming for Final Fantasy characters that have a modern recognisability function. If anything, even if a crowd of Kingdom Hearts fans, -were- exposed to a character pertaining to an old game, they wouldn't immediately ask "Whose he from" that would mean that Kingdom hearts is only based on a series of cameos. If anything the game would explain "who he is", any bit of cameo after that is only a bonus to those who have actually played the coresponding game.

Im ashamed to say that the first time I played Kingdom hearts II, Setzer just completely slipped my mind until later, his persona was so warped that I just thought he was some character that the studios made up to challenge Roxas. After a closer examination it became grudgingly apparent who he was portraying. But like Setzer alot of characters have very minimal relations to their own worlds. Auron for example did not require players to recognise him from X. They established that he was simply a warrior from the dead who could challenge Hercules, that is all. The things he says and his position of being dead can both be taken as is, and heralded as a tribute to the original. The YuRiPa trio from X-2 really looked nothing at all like their original forms and could of been treated as ordinary faeries if needed be, but again, the cameo was secondary.

To further add to my point, many of the DISNEY cameos are even MORE outdated then the Final Fantasy ones, so they probably do not pertain to any of the younger generations of today either. ( Scratch that, Disney remakes alot of their old movies all the time) But Square Enix follows suit aswell, anyone not exposed to the old games have been given ample oppertunity with all the remakes and ports.

[Lady Lamont]

I do have to agree with you, your reaction to Setzer's cameo is something that actually makes me want SE to include more of the older characters for that sheer reason.

Still, I would actually enjoy KH more if they branched out to other characters aside from JUST FF as many other characters from their other series' and/or games would fit into KH easily.

[GRAV]

Nice point Garland...very nice. i third that^_^

Lol. i never knew who Setzer was until about 4 days ago i hadnt played his corresponding game yet=/

[DuMbAsS]

To answer the initial question, I think it was stated that Vincent was basically an older, more experienced version of Cloud so it would seem kind of pointless to add him in or something.

Yes, in KH2, Vivi was in there, but he didn't even talk unless you consider battle cries and things of the sort talking. I agree though, KH could use more of the old school FF characters, and some of the other golden age members. While I like VII, I agree that it's overused and can get pretty tiring. I personally would like to see Bartz with his mimic job in the KH series.

That Garland thing sounds like pretty good idea. It's too bad they didn't think of it earlier. Of course, with KH3 (or whatever it's called) taking place in the past, I think they could easily exploit that and place Garland somewhere in there.

Tis true Lady L. They could branch out from JUST FF. They have the Mana series and Chrono Trigger and Cross to choose from. They could even get permission from Tri-Ace to use characters from Star Ocean as well. The Valkyries could even make an appearence.

I would have to agree as well about the cameos. It seemed pointless for some of them as I really hated the Gullwings being in a little "fairy" form.

[Lady Lamont]

Lai, I'm glad you remember to put that in about the initial question. I forgot to write that in myself.

Well, I said it myself today when we were going through promotional stuff from SE and pretty much every second bit of promotional junk had something from VII in it. It gets over-used and the more it's used, the less "special" that initial feeling becomes, it's like being on say... a website and all you get shoved at you... could really relate to a certain ABBA song due to them shoving ads, more ads and EVEN more ads in your face for your money. In a sense, VII has slowly become over-used in that way. ((Adding to the fact that I smacked someone today in person for them saying "Hey, is that Setzer guy Sephiroth's brother?", this shows that the golden age/classics need to be given more attention to the newer fanbase and/or audience instead of focusing on CLOUD AND SEPHIROTH CONTINUALLY. Like, the entire section in KHII that is devoted to Tifa looking for Cloud, Cloud looking for Sephiroth and then them battling)).

Exactly, it would make more sense for Garland to appear in KHIII due to it's odd timeline and well... we all know about what Garland. It just matches absolutely perfectly.

Exactly, even though the Mana series is technically still Final Fantasy (It was originally known as "Final Fantasy Legends"), Chrono games, Parasite Eve... etc all have connections to the Final Fantasy series and could easily be put into it.

Hell, a division in SE itself is actually OF Tri-Ace so they could get some Star Ocean games into it if they felt like it (however, they've been having issues with one the Star Ocean leaders wanting to make... more mature-targeted games recently which is why it probably hasn't happened yet).
Some of the enemies would make more sense with some characters from the other games, in Radiant Garden / Hollow Bastion with the Dragoons and then in KHII with the lights from the sky... I was expecting to see a Valkyrie appear, even in more cartoon-like appearence... they would still look fantastic (as you can have a look on the SQEX members avatar items to see how they could look simplified and put into a KH game sometime as a rough example).

Exactly, it never made any sense. If they were to appear, I would have liked to have seen the Gullwings Trio appear a couple of years older than Tidus and Wakka were after their KH appearence to follow a timeline of sorts, as with what was done with Squall/Leon, Yuffie, Cid... the other VII characters... *Too lazy to list them all*. I mean, the cameos are great and all but they could really work them into the game easier if they were actually more fitting to specific areas/events in-game.

[Vermilion Thanatos]

I think everyone agrees that Vincent should have been higher up on the list of VII candidates (at least higher than Yuffie and Cid), and that VII didn't need that many cameos: Cloud, Aerith, Yuffie, Cid, Tifa, and Sephiroth? Also, we didn't need Sephy twice when there are already several better villains to choose from. Chaos and Garland are excellent, but what about Kefka anyone? Gilgamesh? FuSoYa? KH is driving itself into a repetitive hole it can't get out of.

Also, what was the deal with Hayner, Pence, and Olette? They are the only KH characters in the entire series that aren't Organization members, Disney characters, FF cameos, or main plot contributors. They were just there, and it peeves me that they invented three characters for such a small role when that was the perfect spot to stick three more FF characters a la Wakka, Tidus, and Selphie. Apparently Irvine, Vincent, and Rikku were cut from the first KH, so some of those might have worked, even if they aren't cool people

Here's my hope for KH III, not including bosses (at least one new cameo per game to satisfy fanboys):

IV: Cecil and/or Kain, probably just Kain
V: Bartz and/or Faris, probably just Faris
VI: Terra/Celes, Shadow (NO Setzer)
VII: Cloud, Aerith, Tifa, Cid/Yuffie (get rid of one), Vincent (NO Sephiroth)
VIII: Squall (NOT Leon), Seifer, Rinoa (maybe Raijin and Fujin), Selphie
IX: Zidane, Vivi
X: Tidus, Wakka, YuRiPa, Auron, (can't really justify Lulu or Kimahri...)

There: we have a dragoon, a dark knight/paladin, a pirate, a chocobo rider, a ninja, a thief, a creepy gunner, a sorceress, and the most deserving lead(s) that have been shafted for the past two installments. Any one of those would be an interesting cameo, and because I think Cecil and Bartz shouldn't take precedence over Kain and Faris (character trumps plot importance for cameos), I'd say Terra and Zidane are the only Dissidia characters that have a shot at a spot, meaning KH wouldn't feel like a Dissidia ripoff...yet.

EDIT: oops, forgot about a XII cameo...Balthier? Basch? Ashe?

[Lady Lamont]

Agreed with that Vermilion. I'd honestly love to see Kefka in it, if they HAD to put Sephiroth in KHII, I would particularly enjoy at some point a reference to Sephiroth knocking off one of Kefka's moves. If Gilgamesh were to appear, then for the love of god there would need to be at least some discussion between Sir Seifer and ol' Gilgy (Lunatic Pandora / Rift activity anyone? Which could be further explained by Garland appearing and that KH was actually triggered by the time loop and Gilgy being sealed up, but breaking through the rift/void with Odin's sword).

I'm sorry, but it's these things that have extremely annoyed me over the years and they DO need to be followed up sooner or later instead of constant CLOUD VERSUS SEPHIROTH. I've lost track of how many times it HAPPENS between those two and honestly, the next game I play and encounter it.. I will probably rip the game out of whatever console and destroy it in an absolute rage unless the spotlight and other odds and ends are added in or at least given some closure or SOMETHING.

I'd much rather having Edea instead of Rinoa from your list, as Edea was one of the initial sources in VIII, or hell... even Ellone would make sense - if Squall heard from Rinoa but found more people from his world, but before he went back he encountered Edea or even a young Ellone (back from before he was born, when Laguna was the "Monster Hunter of Winhill") due to the dimensions basically being compressed and/or warped from a few issues, which ties in to the worlds becoming connected and disconnected in KH.

Personally for an XII Cameo, I would like to see the Fon Ronsenburg twins. Following the scenario or idea with what happened with Jessie, Biggs and Wedge (which were the VII versions I might add) and as some people still haven't finished XII, I'll leave it at - that I'd like to see Basch and the other twin together (same age or younger versions, it would be extremely interesting).

Maybe a couple of mascots too. Chocobo, Moomba or something not just in Keyblade or item reference form.

Just for laughs, any FF character suffering from Mini or Frog status and you have to complete a mini-game or something to finally find out which classic/ (FF to VI) character it is.

[Vermilion Thanatos]

Ellone would fit well, and I wouldn't mind Edea, but I was betting on Rinoa for three reasons:

1) Dead Fantasy has made her much more popular than she was before
2) Squall had a reference to her at the end of KH II, possibly alluding to a future cameo
3) She has a dog, which seems very KH-sh to me, though shadow also has one so that could be a point against her if Nomura prefers ninjas. :P

I just really hope Nomura drops the Irvine idea...that deprives us of a VIII slot and a chance for Vincent or Balthier, because I'm sure he'll want to limit the number of guns in the game.

Twins would be fine; like I said, pretty much everyone beyond Vaan and Penelo would be a deserving candidate. Though personally I think Gabranth doesn't need multiple cameos and that Balthier/Ashe deserves a shot.

Pupu? Tonberry? Cactuar? The options are endless. I wouldn't even mind if all of them appeared as accessories...but I think a chocobo would be the best for a character, which is why I considered Bartz.

Doom has already been brought into KH, but what about Petrify? Poison? I'm sure there are several ways you could go about "rescuing" a FF character. I like the petrify idea, myself.

On an unrelated note: I want Reflect and Magnet to be dropped for Aero and Graviga and maybe Stop again...what the hell were the developers thinking?

So I'm still trying to think of who they will (or even should) add from X for KH III. The only party members that haven't appeared are Lulu and Kimahri, neither of which seems particularly deserving considering one was useless and the other has already been beaten out for the "black mage" spot. And Seymour was a terrible villain...

OH.

NO.

Jecht?

Why?

No.

[DuMbAsS]

Well, how about the Chocobo Knights of X? That makes a chocobo character and gives you an army. Makes some sense since it's gonna be a big war of some sort.

GILGAMESH! Hells yeah. I love fighting that guy. Him and his warping through dimensions and cutting down barriers. Hey that gives me an idea. If he can cut through dimensions and move about, couldn't he cut down the barriers that block off the worlds from eachother in KH? I say yes. I dunno how'd they incorporate Seifer into talking with Gilgamesh. Unless of course Gil just dropped by to say hi.

Kain takes the dragoon spot over Freya then. The Fon Ronsenburg twins would be a nice add. Although I do agree with VT about Gabranth. Reks! Seeing as this is in the before time, Reks could show up with Captain Basch Fon Ronsenburg and they could be the frontline of the army followed by the Chocobo Knights from X. I'm still up for Garland as a boss also.

[Vermilion Thanatos]

Originally Posted by DuMbAsS

Kain takes the dragoon spot over Freya then. The Fon Ronsenburg twins would be a nice add. Although I do agree with VT about Gabranth. Reks! Seeing as this is in the before time, Reks could show up with Captain Basch Fon Ronsenburg and they could be the frontline of the army followed by the Chocobo Knights from X. I'm still up for Garland as a boss also.

Reks was in XII for all of five minutes...I think he's about as likely as Maester Kinoc, i.e. not happening. And I'm not sure if SE would let that many chocobos into KH; plus it would be hard choosing which game to take chocobo knights from.

The more I think about it, I see more and more reasons why Gilgamesh is probably the best choice for a boss/villain in KH III. As cool as Kefka and Garland and Chaos are, they've already had their fling with Dissidia, and personally I'd feel underwhelmed just fighting one of them when I could just pick up Dissidia and fight as them.

Oops, completely skipped Rydia. Since Yuna's no longer a summoner in KH and Quistis doesn't deserve the whip-girl spot, I wonder if Rydia has a shot...definitely not as much as Kain or Cecil, but you never know...

[DuMbAsS]

lol alright then. Rydia? I forgot all about her as well. She had nearly every summon possible didn't she? And she's also one hell of a great black mage.

Chocobo Knights not doing it? Well, thats all I got for chocobos anyways. The only other way would be to have it as a summon. I can't think of anything else for the moombas, chocobos, etc.

I was just throwing Reks out there for fun. If any I would vote Balthier. As for villian cameos, I'm thinking Cecil's brother. Can't remember his name, but you get the point. Anyways, Cecil's brother could have something to do with Kain. That would get a world plot or something going.

[Vermilion Thanatos]

Golbez/Theodore? It's a good thought and certainly possible, though I think that several villains are more likely simply because they have larger fanbases...

[DuMbAsS]

Darn that fanbase. Golbez needs some fan love also. Wait, wouldn't SE want to please the fanbase as much as possible? If that's the case some of the characters are sure to be in KH3...

(Oh and thanks VT for helping me)

[Vermilion Thanatos]

Originally Posted by DuMbAsS

Darn that fanbase. Golbez needs some fan love also. Wait, wouldn't SE want to please the fanbase as much as possible? If that's the case some of the characters are sure to be in KH3...

(Oh and thanks VT for helping me)

Yes, some of these characters are almost guaranteed to be in KH III; I just listed the most probable predictions, along with some of the flaws that should never have happened (Sephy overload, VII overload, Setzer/Vivi PHAIL, etc.)

[Chaotic Lionheart]

Kuwabara,Kuwabara *sighs* I want Zell dammit he was funny plus I hear whispers that in KHIII there would be more FF worlds not just anchored to one place.Dark knight Cecil I heard is in but its just rumors i hear around. Anywho I want Onion Knight dangit did you guys forget about him huh HUH?! Shame on you and what about FFT Ramza ring any bells or Idk FFTA or some other people from there.Firion too he'd fit right in there with opposing the heartless for freedom,FF12 of course Fran and the leading man because they were a main focus too other than poor Ashe oh my country in trouble *eye roll*.FFVII take away cloud and sephiroth as major plots done,FFVIII change the name to Squall add mm Rinoa maybe along with the zell and Laguna then deal.XI Zidane duh wtf were they thinking not adding him dum dum's,X put Tidus and Wakka back in add some Jecht lose the YRP fairy complex and put Braska final aeon as a super secert boss in place of the one winged fruit muffin (I like seph and VII but too much BS on the spotlight),XI add a taru taru to kill for fun mwahahahahahaahaha Done

[DuMbAsS]

lol nice list chaos. I liked Onion Knight, but he seems so timid. Firion would seem an okay addition. Braska's final aeon as the secret boss? Hmm...We have so many choices for secret bosses (so far I've counted 3 actually. Gilgamesh, Garland/Chaos, and now the final aeon). I've never played the original tactics, so I couldn't comment on that, but for tactics advance I'd like to either see Judge Cid or Montblanc. Marche might make an okay addition. Other than that nothing. Judge Cid rides a chocobo so that could fill that chocobo spot. Laguna would be great for adding. Although I think it would probably make sense to add Kiros and Ward with him if it happens. Zidane must make an entrance. He was my favorite character in Dissidia.

[Vermilion Thanatos]

First of all, to everyone (not just Chaotic): any rumors about KH III are guaranteed to be false. SE hasn't even said anything to imply that they will make it, let alone that it is in production, and no rumors have any validity beyond speculation until we see any evidence toward KH III being in production.

I heard Zell was gay in the Japanese version of VIII, his mannerisms and all those hot dogs managed to carry over however, lol. He'd be fine if they ditched Tifa, but I won't let them do that because I want Tifa to actually serve a purpose in III like Cid or Yuffie. :P

I avoided Onion Knight because he's a class, not a character. They only got names in the Advance remake. In fact, I avoided I and III completely because in general those didn't have anything memorable in the way of plots or characters.

Fran and Balthier would be appropriate choices for XII, as I said, but so could most of the XII party members. And I'd be hesitant to think that SE would include a character from outside the main series, so Ramza's chances are far lower than the XII cast's...

I wouldn't mind Cloud in KH III as long as it were a small cameo. Like Selphie was in II. Not this whole bull**** of the entire world he resides on revolving around whether or not he fights Sephiroth.

Laguna...maybe. He could work, though he seems a little old for KH. Still place my top bid on Rinoa, not because I particularly like her (she wasn't all that interesting in VIII), but because she's now a hot item and she sort of was the second most integral character to the plot.

Zidane--is the most likely candidate for a thief role, which hopefully eliminates YRP. Though I didn't mind YRP too much...I liked the whole shrinking them into a "three-parts-of-a-single-character" thing so they weren't as annoying as they could have been.

Jecht shouldn't be in KH. The popular answer is that Jecht was in Dissidia and his awesomeness nearly blew up PSPs around the world. :P The objective answer is that, like Laguna, he's too mature for KH, and I think it would be awkward introducing the fathers of FF characters when we've never even met Sora/Kairi/Riku's parents.

Montblanc shouldn't be in it, either. As much as I love the character, just look at what moogles look like in KH and then imagine Montblanc like that. It's insulting.

Addressing the rumors:

I don't know why Dark Knight Cecil would be in when Kain is five times as BAMF. If SE were smart, they'd avoid using Dissidia characters, because otherwise that kind of defeats the purpose of Dissidia altogether. People will complain that instead of making Dissidia, SE should have just shoved all of the same characters into KH (which they should have, but doing it after Dissidia only makes them look bad)

If there were one other FF world that were a sort of amalgamation of all FF locales a la Timeless River, I'd be fine with it. The way some fans talk about it, they want a freaking Midgar world, stupid VII fangirls. Of course these are the same idiots who think Genesis should be a secret boss. If there are any other FF worlds, they shouldn't be biased toward any particular FF (and lets face it, adding one world for every FF is asking too much). No, I think it is much better to leave Radiant Garden as the place where all FF cameos originated from...anything else would kind of drive a wedge into the continuity that would need explaining...