Why no Cerberus?

[GRAV]

Odd Thread name huh? not realy. lol. *sorry, im REALY tired right now*

But...it just came to my attention.....i dont think ive seen Vincent Valentine in ANY of the currently released KH games. feel free to correct me if im wrong but....he hasnt been in KH yet, has he?

[darkeclipse21]

actually....I think you may be right. I thought I remembered seeing Vincent, but maybe not....hmm.....

[Lady Lamont]

Vincent Valentine is NOT in any of the Kingdom Hearts games. There have been references, such as Kingdom Hearts - Cloud's outfit which has borrowed elements of Vincent's outfit. There is a fan-made Vincent Valentine KH/Nomura style fan-artwork floating around and some photomanipulations, but aside from that he has not appeared in any of the released Kingdom Hearts games.

[darkeclipse21]

Hmm....shall we start up a list of main characters Kingdom hearts hasn't used?

Though it would be funny if they used Biggs and Wedge, or as XII put it: Gibbs and Deweg.

[GRAV]

I KNEW IT! damn I reckon Vincent would look FREAKIN AWESOME in a KH game. Especialy if you got to see him fight or fight him in the arena.

It would also be pretty kewl if they had Zidane and Garnet. i also dont get why they dont have Rinnoa in the games. I mean...they have Cloud and Aeris, so why not Squall and Rinnoa?

[Lady Lamont]

Originally Posted by darkeclipse21

Hmm....shall we start up a list of main characters Kingdom hearts hasn't used?

Though it would be funny if they used Biggs and Wedge, or as XII put it: Gibbs and Deweg.

Biggs and Wedge are in KH, they're shop-keepers. As is Jesse from VII.

[Lady Lamont]

Originally Posted by GRAV

I KNEW IT! damn I reckon Vincent would look FREAKIN AWESOME in a KH game. Especialy if you got to see him fight or fight him in the arena.

It would also be pretty kewl if they had Zidane and Garnet. i also dont get why they dont have Rinnoa in the games. I mean...they have Cloud and Aeris, so why not Squall and Rinnoa?

I would have to agree, I would like to see more of the "Classic Final Fantasy" characters in the KH series. Somewhat like what we've gotten with Dissidia, but would it not be cool to see Garland pop up again in relation to some of the worlds being connected by something that can repeat in a manner that could be somewhat familiar to what Garland caused.

Rinoa wasn't needed, it was to make Squall the angsty heap he was before he met Rinoa and in order to try and "make him feel better" and explain his overall anti-social behavior - he felt guilty because he couldn't initially fend off the Heartless and ended up in Traverse Town OR Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion and lost track of Rinoa, therefore breaking his promise (as the KH transitions are similar to Rinoa's nightmare) but in the end Squall receives a letter with Rinoa's wing motif in the end that hints that she may appear sometime (personally, I'd rather not see her in it and would much rather seeing say... Edea or even Ultimecia show up in addition to finding out what happened to Balamb Garden's Disciplinary Committee after they were fishing at Balamb in the ending, or finding out what happened to the least detailed character.... Quistis).

I could actually go onto a whole list for more than half of every Final Fantasy character created onto why I'd like to see them in a KH game.

[GRAV]

but...Rinnoa is AWESOME! i dont care about the whole "..." that IS Squall! he NEEDS Rinnoa! just like Cloud NEEDS Aeris!

And i would like to see Garland/Chaos in a KH game too now that you mention it. and i know just how to get him in. despite not being the same, there have been 2 "worlds" so far that are...similar. and they are: Worlds End, and, The world that never was. both being "non-existent" places. wich relate to the story behind Garland/Chaos's "time loop" from FFI. but instead of being a main boss, he should be a secondary main boss. like, once you fight and beat the final boss, you save your game data, then load THAT data and go BACK to the end of the final "word" and instead of fighting the original final boss you get a choice, "Continue on and finish this" or "Time seems to distort here, explore it?" *or something like that* and then an in-game FMV starts and shows Garland, you beat him, then time "loops" and he becomes Chaos, and then you gotta fight HIM. and the difficulty of them will be Sephiroth level or higher. not a bad idea, eh?

And i would also like to see Nanaki and his "life mate" and his children in a KH game as well. and the Turks would be a kewl addition....as would Kadaj and his his brothers.

[Lady Lamont]

Hahaha, Squall was perfectly fine without Rinoa before his personality did a 180.

((Let's take this to another topic, otherwise I'm going to rant... LARGELY)).

And I would say the difficulty of Chaos should be MUCH higher than Sephiroth (on normal or expert modes, KH/KHII considering I've beaten both). If anything, I'd love to see Cait Sith and Nanaki. But that's it for the VII characters, too many in KH. Give me some of the older characters that existed before VII as it's not always about Cloud and Sephiroth... or VII on the overall. Hell, Garland could appear due to some sections of KH levels having broken clocks and whatnot considering Garland is called the Master of Everything and Nothing in general... KH would make more sense with some of being caused by Garland (it would also make sense for say... Dissidia links).

IX and VI would be great to have more characters in KH.

[GRAV]

i beleive i said Garland/Chaos *since there virtualy the same being* and i have also beaten BOTH KH and KH2 on ALL dificulties, and i found that fighting Sephiroth in KH2 on the harder difficulties was actualy easier then on the easier difficulties. go figure. but Sephiroth in KH was a cheap ass bastard*is that word allowed?* you need to smack the crap out of him for, like, 10 mins before he ACTUALY starts to take damage

And i wouldnt mind seeing Zidane, Garnet, Freya, Amarant, Eiko and Beatrix and Steiner in a KH game. a good addition to the games would also be Greiver or other FF Summons as either summonable allies or actual story involved or side quest characters.

Terra would also be a nice addition to that list, especialy if they have a massive all in battle like in KH2, and when Terra joins the fight, she turns into her Esper self.

[Lady Lamont]

Originally Posted by GRAV

i beleive i said Garland/Chaos *since there virtualy the same being* and i have also beaten BOTH KH and KH2 on ALL dificulties, and i found that fighting Sephiroth in KH2 on the harder difficulties was actualy easier then on the easier difficulties. go figure. but Sephiroth in KH was a cheap ass bastard*is that word allowed?* you need to smack the crap out of him for, like, 10 mins before he ACTUALY starts to take damage

And i wouldnt mind seeing Zidane, Garnet, Freya, Amarant, Eiko and Beatrix and Steiner in a KH game. a good addition to the games would also be Greiver or other FF Summons as either summonable allies or actual story involved or side quest characters.

Terra would also be a nice addition to that list, especialy if they have a massive all in battle like in KH2, and when Terra joins the fight, she turns into her Esper self.

Overall, same being of the essence. I was meaning for the absolute transformation after the initial battle. I know what you mean, Sephiroth was too easy for me (I actually play through games on the hard difficulty first time through unless it has to be unlocked initially). And yes, it was cheap in the first KH game.

I would personally like to see IX characters (if they bring Freya then they need to have her theme song damn it). I would also like to see some of the summons too. Doubtful for actual summons but it would be rather cool to see some of the summons appearing every so often, if Terra was included then possibly a section on the world of the summons and that can include relationships between the main character and the other characters he/she meets that allows he/she to summon whichever Disney character as a summon, but also establishes a connection to their world.

[GRAV]

Ah. lol. i see.=/

Yeah, Freya's theme song is pretty nice. but a little sad at the same time.

And that would be awesome! they should do that! make a KH game just like normal, but instead, have the three realms. the realm of Balance*the normal world and time line* the realm of The Espers *the world of light and still same time line, but distorted for purposes of good* and the relam of Chaos *the world of darkness, but with a distorted time EXACTLY the same as the realm of The Espers but distorted for purposes of Evil*

[Lady Lamont]

Freya's theme song is actually an instrumental take of VIII's Compression of Time, which is why I like it.

Well, it would be interesting but my suggestions were for merely making further connections as to WHY there are Final Fantasy characters there, but could also branch out to the Mana or even Drakengard games which have similar features/common ideas. I would personally like to see Caim or Nowe suddenly appear because they fell through a crack in time/space, which was thought to be a warp section, which in the end was actually caused by Garland making the time loop which affected all realities into a sense of compressed dimensions and/or time.

[GRAV]

Very nice mi'lady. very nice indeed.

....you seem to know about and understand quantam physics to a certan extent, what do you do as your job? if you dont mind my asking.

[Lady Lamont]

((Oh, that was nothing. Just general rambles without a single thought. Drop me a PM, we can talk, so we can keep this on topic)).

Still, aside from that I would really enjoy seeing the Turks, including Vincent basically in the moment of his past employment if he was to appear in a KH game.

[GRAV]

That would be pretty kewl. the original Turks all together in the one game. nice.

I would also like to see at least ONE world fashioned after an FF game. im kind of getting tired of the amount of FF characters and lack there of, of FF worlds.

[Garland]

my ears are ringing. :P

Hah, -Garland- in KH? The plot synopsis you're describing Lamont is largely similar to the Hierophant's plans, (whome grossly stole Garland's style) from Ring of Fates. LOL, a fatal flaw when messing with alternate realities and time loops, do not weave youself into a time loop which spans only 10 seconds... Nooby Hierophant got nothing on Garland's mastery over time.

Anyway, I would love to see some of the older FF's get their bite of the apple in KH. Somehow, Setser wasn't done justice... At all!... Poor guy.
No doubt Dissidia may open up doors to this. If they start making remakes and spin offs where they give old characters VA's, it's easier for KH to get a hand on them.

As far as IX goes, wasn't ViVi in KH 2?

[Lady Lamont]

Heh, as they should be!

I know, it is fairly similar however if it were done by Garland... well... you know it would mean trouble for the hero and/or heroes of the game as the Heirophant has nothing at all aside from a few cheap parlor-styled tricks up his sleeves. Not to mention that whenever I watch the new KH trailers, I constantly link Garland to the distorted world (just think of the Chaos Shrine and other sections of the initial Final Fantasy sort of appearing in the world in a similar style to that of another SE game Drag-on-Dragoon/Drakengard), was more or less my thought pattern, due to Drakengard's world have set seals to keep the peace and stop it and the time flow from becoming distorted, letting monsters in and overall destroying their world but it's also been shown that the characters can actually go through time/space overall when their seals were broken ((a main character and his dragon ended up in modern day Tokyo in one of the endings)).

Sorry, just posting out a general thought for that matter.

I do agree that Setzer wasn't done properly when he appeared in KHII, and since Dissidia it could be possible to actually explain Dissidia (and as the designs could only have minor adjustments or could simply be reused) on the whole in a very close relation to KH, considering Nomura was shot down a couple of weeks after it was released in Japan for plans on working on ANOTHER Dissidia game. I have to again, agree with you there Garland.

Yes, ViVi was in IX however it would be nice to see some more characters from IX as ViVi was bundled in with the Disciplinary Committee and seemed a tad lonely in his overall contrasting design with the other characters, which is why it would be good to put in some more IX characters to even out the balance as the presence of the VII characters is almost overbearing at times.

[GRAV]

...you MOD's make things seem WAY too serious. lol.^_^

And, i wouldnt mind seeing more FF characters from other FF's aside from VII as well....but...since it's SE... it does leave a MASSIVE hole to use other characters from the SE universe. such as...Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time, persay? what with the "game world" "real world" set up? i think it would make a decent story or what not. that and the SO characters do kind of resemble a more mature version of KH art and style wise.

[darkeclipse21]

hey, GRAV, if you're going to go there, how about Crono, Marle, and Lucca?
Or Serge, Kiud, and......any of the other 43 characters or so you can choose from?
(Actually, if they brought in crono cross that would be sweet. Forgive me gaming world, but I have sinned. XP I prefer Crono Cross to Crono Trigger. They were both great, but......)
And I guess I remember biggs and wedge. If they were in the first KH, I haven't played that in so long due to my sister. It took her years to get to Holow bastion. Took me about 5 days or something like that.

Seriously though, Edgar, Locke, Sabin, Terra, Celes....I would love to see them in a KH game.
Or Cecil and his posse. Paloom and Poroom (i think i misspelled it...) spell trouble.

The thing is, how many modern gamers would recognize them? KH wants characters that people know, and recognize, like Squall, and all the ff 7 characters. They don't want people that fans will question "Who are they?"

Creative Uncut - Omake

(Btw, for those of you looking for a laugh, go through 'inside the gamer's studio' and 'I'm game.'
With 'I'm game', just count how many times that's happened to you.....wait....aren't i not suppsoed to do this....it's been a few years since I looked at the general rules.....)