The Great Dune Trilogy

Scrutator · 02-23-2007, 08:49 AM

I know that there were 6 books by Frank Herbert's series (and several others by his son and Kevin J Anderson) but only finished up to Children of Dune so far. The first is looked upon as a classic which it deserves in every respect, it's one of those novels which reveals something new everytime you read it and had several of my favourite characters in fiction with Paul Muad'Dib, Lady Jessica and Stilgar especially.

Dune Messiah was pretty good although because of the size it seemed like a sort of Dune 1.5 but it did some pretty cool elements introduced like the gholas. Children of Dune I was sort of disappointed in as the focus was on Leto II who I didn't find that much of a likable character although I did enjoy when he faced The Preacher.

I'll be reading the other 3 books soon but has anyone read these books and what are other peoples opinions of these and whether or not it's worth going into the newer novels?

The Man · 02-23-2007, 11:19 AM

I read the first three books a long time ago (we're talking somewhere around ten years ago). They're probably some of my favourite science-fiction books of all time, to be honest; there are so many unique ideas in the series that visibly influenced other authors , but the series would be notable enough even without the profound influence it's had on the genre. Dune Messiah was probably my favourite.

Watch the Sci-Fi miniseries if you get a chance as well; it's pretty well done, although certain parts would be a bit confusing to anyone who'd never read the books.

Scrutator · 02-23-2007, 12:33 PM

After reading the first book I noticed a lot of elements that I read in other peoples novels like spice and the use of the Voice. I'm a bit worried about what Brian Herbert and KJA are doing to the series though, not read them myself but the general feeling are they are pretty **** and go against what Frank wrote and are making up their own stuff. This is very apparent to me when looking at the cover art of the US copy of Sandworms of Dune where they have Sandworms bursting out of an ocean.

I know of the two mini-series as well and since I've finished Children last week I'm thinking of buying them at some point, think I'll leave the movie alone though.

thekingoftheempire · 02-23-2007, 04:29 PM

i never read the books or what not..i dont even kno what dune is..but i did see it at a pawn shop..i think it was the mini-series dvd set..you guys recommend it..?..

The Man · 02-23-2007, 04:34 PM

If you haven't read the books, it'll probably be incomprehensible to you, because there's a lot of stuff it doesn't really explain. If you're willing to spend a lot of time looking stuff up on Wikipedia, I guess you could enjoy it anyway, otherwise you'll probably be hopelessly lost.

Dionysus_PSI · 02-24-2007, 10:24 AM

I've read the first two and a half (had to borrow a copy of Children of Dune beacouse I coulden't find it, and the owner needed it back). I absolutle LOVE Dune and Dune Messiah. Once I'm done reading all the other books that I own and haven't read I'll be certinly buying the rest of the 6 and reading them all in succession.
I've also allready read Dune 3 times, absolutly awsome novel filled with details. I think I first read it in grade 6 for a reading assignment (got to choose own books) and the teacher's jaw dropped when I showed her my copy of Dune and the fact that I was going to read it, lol.

I also highly reccomend the Dune series to read, and reccomend both of the sci-fi miniseries (I own Dune, and am going to buy Children of Dune [which is Dune Messiah AND Chlidren of Dune in one miniseries]). The Dune Miniseries is also one hell-of-a-lot better than Lynch's Version (Dune's Movie). I think that Lynch, well Lynched it (if you don't know what lynching is, it has something to do with a tree and a knife, and is entirely unpleasent). Lynch's artistic vision totally collided with Herbert's, and thus he destroyed it. *shudders*

Herbert created a vast universe in the future, based on progressions he saw possible in socieity. The Orange Catholic bible has dominated, and "thinking machines" (ie computers) are outlawed, and they had to find ways around it to continue onward with their society.
Herbert included vast detail in his universe, including large amounts of specifics on multiple cultures, the workings of politics, and most importantly 'ecology' of various plannets. Herbert was a visionary at the time wrighting about global ecology at the time, when frankly some scientists diden't even believe in it at the time.

Anyways to summerise; Frank Herbert pwnz, Dune pwns, R3AD TH3 S3RI3S!

Shakan'Dar · 02-24-2007, 10:35 PM

I read them a while ago. I also highly recommend them. I also remember reading the prequels, House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino. They were great as well. Haven't read any of the sequels so I can't comment on them, but the prequels were really good and kept with Frank Herbert's vision in my opinion. In fact...I read them all about 5 years ago, and that was through the school's library.

*runs off to make his revised birthday wish list*

God · 03-12-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Man

If you haven't read the books, it'll probably be incomprehensible to you, because there's a lot of stuff it doesn't really explain. If you're willing to spend a lot of time looking stuff up on Wikipedia, I guess you could enjoy it anyway, otherwise you'll probably be hopelessly lost.

I've read Dune, Dune: Messiah, and am halfway through Children of Dune, and Dune: Messiah still makes no sense to me. Dune was great, and things have changed so much through the series, that it's hard to link everything together. At this point, I really think that one of the themes of the series is change, simply because so many things change, yet so many things are the same.

The Man · 03-12-2007, 06:25 PM

Yeah, from what I remember the transience of everything was a major theme of the series. One of my favourite quotes ever comes from the end of the second book: [spoiler]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Muad'dib

There are some things no one can bear. I meddled in all the possible futures I could create until, finally, they created me. There are problems in this universe for which there are no answers. Nothing. Nothing can be done.

[/spoiler]

Lennon Legend · 03-12-2007, 06:46 PM

If I could give any advice to anyone with regards to the Dune series it would be to do yourself a favour and stop reading at the end of Dune Messiah, it all goes downhill after that. That's not to say there aren't some cool things in the later books, but there's just so much bollocks as well that I think it's better closing the door at the second book and that its ending serves the series far better than any of the later books did.

And don't get me started on Herbert's son, I haven't read the prequel to Dune books but trust me when I say Hunters of Dune is a piece of **** and Frank Herbert would be turning in his grave if he was alive to see it.

Scrutator · 03-13-2007, 02:41 PM

I'm just about finished God Emperor of Dune now, it's ok although the [SPOILER]whole thing between Leto and Hwi and getting married[/SPOILER] is a bit far fetched. Also I would have preferred if some more of the focus was on Siona since she seemed to be a major player in the book and then was missing for 200 pages of it.

02-23-2007, 08:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
Scrutator Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Age: 23 Posts: 288 Rep Power: 4	The Great Dune Trilogy I know that there were 6 books by Frank Herbert's series (and several others by his son and Kevin J Anderson) but only finished up to Children of Dune so far. The first is looked upon as a classic which it deserves in every respect, it's one of those novels which reveals something new everytime you read it and had several of my favourite characters in fiction with Paul Muad'Dib, Lady Jessica and Stilgar especially. Dune Messiah was pretty good although because of the size it seemed like a sort of Dune 1.5 but it did some pretty cool elements introduced like the gholas. Children of Dune I was sort of disappointed in as the focus was on Leto II who I didn't find that much of a likable character although I did enjoy when he faced The Preacher. I'll be reading the other 3 books soon but has anyone read these books and what are other peoples opinions of these and whether or not it's worth going into the newer novels?

03-12-2007, 06:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lennon Legend Forums Veteran Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Twickenham Age: 24 Posts: 188 Rep Power: 4	If I could give any advice to anyone with regards to the Dune series it would be to do yourself a favour and stop reading at the end of Dune Messiah, it all goes downhill after that. That's not to say there aren't some cool things in the later books, but there's just so much bollocks as well that I think it's better closing the door at the second book and that its ending serves the series far better than any of the later books did. And don't get me started on Herbert's son, I haven't read the prequel to Dune books but trust me when I say Hunters of Dune is a piece of **** and Frank Herbert would be turning in his grave if he was alive to see it. __________________ L E A G U E of S O C I A L I S T D E M O C R A T S Gentlemen, need some time away from the wife? Join your local socialist party!

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02-23-2007, 11:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
The Man Vi veri vniversvm vivvs vici Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Age: 25 Posts: 3,647 Rep Power: 0	I read the first three books a long time ago (we're talking somewhere around ten years ago). They're probably some of my favourite science-fiction books of all time, to be honest; there are so many unique ideas in the series that visibly influenced other authors , but the series would be notable enough even without the profound influence it's had on the genre. Dune Messiah was probably my favourite. Watch the Sci-Fi miniseries if you get a chance as well; it's pretty well done, although certain parts would be a bit confusing to anyone who'd never read the books.

02-23-2007, 12:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Scrutator Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Age: 23 Posts: 288 Rep Power: 4	After reading the first book I noticed a lot of elements that I read in other peoples novels like spice and the use of the Voice. I'm a bit worried about what Brian Herbert and KJA are doing to the series though, not read them myself but the general feeling are they are pretty **** and go against what Frank wrote and are making up their own stuff. This is very apparent to me when looking at the cover art of the US copy of Sandworms of Dune where they have Sandworms bursting out of an ocean. I know of the two mini-series as well and since I've finished Children last week I'm thinking of buying them at some point, think I'll leave the movie alone though.

02-23-2007, 04:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
thekingoftheempire Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 20 Posts: 159 Rep Power: 4	i never read the books or what not..i dont even kno what dune is..but i did see it at a pawn shop..i think it was the mini-series dvd set..you guys recommend it..?..

02-23-2007, 04:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
The Man Vi veri vniversvm vivvs vici Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Florida Age: 25 Posts: 3,647 Rep Power: 0	If you haven't read the books, it'll probably be incomprehensible to you, because there's a lot of stuff it doesn't really explain. If you're willing to spend a lot of time looking stuff up on Wikipedia, I guess you could enjoy it anyway, otherwise you'll probably be hopelessly lost.

02-24-2007, 10:24 AM	#6 (permalink)
Dionysus_PSI Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Age: 23 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 4	I've read the first two and a half (had to borrow a copy of Children of Dune beacouse I coulden't find it, and the owner needed it back). I absolutle LOVE Dune and Dune Messiah. Once I'm done reading all the other books that I own and haven't read I'll be certinly buying the rest of the 6 and reading them all in succession. I've also allready read Dune 3 times, absolutly awsome novel filled with details. I think I first read it in grade 6 for a reading assignment (got to choose own books) and the teacher's jaw dropped when I showed her my copy of Dune and the fact that I was going to read it, lol. I also highly reccomend the Dune series to read, and reccomend both of the sci-fi miniseries (I own Dune, and am going to buy Children of Dune [which is Dune Messiah AND Chlidren of Dune in one miniseries]). The Dune Miniseries is also one hell-of-a-lot better than Lynch's Version (Dune's Movie). I think that Lynch, well Lynched it (if you don't know what lynching is, it has something to do with a tree and a knife, and is entirely unpleasent). Lynch's artistic vision totally collided with Herbert's, and thus he destroyed it. shudders Herbert created a vast universe in the future, based on progressions he saw possible in socieity. The Orange Catholic bible has dominated, and "thinking machines" (ie computers) are outlawed, and they had to find ways around it to continue onward with their society. Herbert included vast detail in his universe, including large amounts of specifics on multiple cultures, the workings of politics, and most importantly 'ecology' of various plannets. Herbert was a visionary at the time wrighting about global ecology at the time, when frankly some scientists diden't even believe in it at the time. Anyways to summerise; Frank Herbert pwnz, Dune pwns, R3AD TH3 S3RI3S!

02-24-2007, 10:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shakan'Dar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 18 Posts: 254 Rep Power: 4	I read them a while ago. I also highly recommend them. I also remember reading the prequels, House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino. They were great as well. Haven't read any of the sequels so I can't comment on them, but the prequels were really good and kept with Frank Herbert's vision in my opinion. In fact...I read them all about 5 years ago, and that was through the school's library. runs off to make his revised birthday wish list

03-13-2007, 02:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
Scrutator Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Scotland Age: 23 Posts: 288 Rep Power: 4	I'm just about finished God Emperor of Dune now, it's ok although the [SPOILER]whole thing between Leto and Hwi and getting married[/SPOILER] is a bit far fetched. Also I would have preferred if some more of the focus was on Siona since she seemed to be a major player in the book and then was missing for 200 pages of it.