LAWS

[Eugendies]

Do you find the laws that run your country adequate? Are there any that you would change or get rid of?

[Daryl Falchion]

I think the taxation laws are bull****. They serve the rich and imporvish the poor. Plus, the laws are too leninet particularly as relates to violent crimes. However, in general we do uphold most of the senisble order and while there an alarming number of holes in the system it's a decent one and I've yet to see one that can truly out-match it.

In other words, it's not perfect but all things considered it's not bad.

[Sibia]

I think it would be very difficult to answer a question like 'Does a country have adequate laws' unless you knew the laws of your subject country inside and out. And you'd need to explain just what you mean by 'adequate'.

Now if you are talking about laws which are over 300 years old, dated and no longer applicable then yes I would have to say that such laws do exist in most countries. I understand that in York it was until very recently legal to slay a Scottsman with a bow and arrow within the city walls after a certain time of day. Maybe such a law would have been useful when the Scotts were marching south into England and we were at War, but certainly not today. Addmitedly this is a rather extreme example, but I'm sure there are others.

There are also pointless laws made which are made as stop gap solutions to prevent particular events. I understand this happens in the US rather a lot, with a state having blooper law declaring it illegal to drive by shoot a whale on a sunday. I'm 90% sure such a law was made for legitimate reasons at the time, but i've never agreed with this 'custom laws' to begin with and such actions are now made illegal under other laws.


As for 'adequate' I suppose that's really up to you? The question is would you rather your nation leaned more towards fewer laws which can provide loopholes for criminals, or more laws leading towrads a bogged down authoritarian state, like what is happening in the US at the moment.

Not the answer you were looking for? Be more specific.

[Bloodcrest]

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of the possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why to pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servant, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Romans Chapter 13, verses 1-7 New International Version

[The Man]

I find the laws of my country highly inadequate. Not only do they foster increased divisions between rich and poor, but they discriminate against people based on financial status as well. I also find a large number of laws in this country do nothing to improve the quality of life or protect people from each other in the slightest. For example, the prohibition of marijuana: how does this improve matters in the slightest? All it accomplishes is to put a huge proportion of our population in jail. The United States imprisons more of its population than any other country in the world. For a country that claims to be a bastion of democracy, I find that to be extremely inappropriate.

[Ugly Casanova]

I can't judge. I don't know the laws of other countries, so I'm not sure if our own are adequate or not.

[Roger Mexico]

Originally Posted by Diamond Roa

Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of the possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why to pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servant, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Romans Chapter 13, verses 1-7 New International Version

Oh dear.


Regardless, Aaron describes my opinion perfectly.

[Bloodcrest]

Originally Posted by Roger Mexico

Oh dear.


Regardless, Aaron describes my opinion perfectly.

Oh dear? Is there a problem?

[The Dude]

rulers hold no terror for those who do right?

Do you have a TV or a history book? If so, could you please turn it on or turn the page and start from the past oh I don't know, let's say 200 years. Hell make it 500.

I think Socrates and MLK put it best with laws. Personify the laws and ask them. Do they serve the common good. If not then they are not just and are not truly laws. However do not break the ones that do serve the common good.

[Bloodcrest]

Originally Posted by MistaRob

rulers hold no terror for those who do right?

Do you have a TV or a history book? If so, could you please turn it on or turn the page and start from the past oh I don't know, let's say 200 years. Hell make it 500.

I think Socrates and MLK put it best with laws. Personify the laws and ask them. Do they serve the common good. If not then they are not just and are not truly laws. However do not break the ones that do serve the common good.

If they are not truly laws and those who instituted them are not therefore, true authorities, then there's no problem with any of it.

[The Dude]

that would seem nice except many of these "Untrue laws" come from people who are held in high regard as sort of "True authorities." After all, many view the catholic church as a "true authority" yet sometimes with only as much as a "God wills it." They've influenced hundreds to take up arms and slaughter even those who believed in the same messiah and think that they were doing no wrong.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Diamond Roa

If they are not truly laws and those who instituted them are not therefore, true authorities, then there's no problem with any of it.

I'm sure that to the people who are currently languishing in prison as a result of such laws, that comes as a great comfort.

Or not.

[Bloodcrest]

Originally Posted by The Man

I'm sure that to the people who are currently languishing in prison as a result of such laws, that comes as a great comfort.

Or not.

Maybe so. It can be easier or harder, depending on your perspective, to be in prison and know that you're there unjustly.

[Roger Mexico]

Originally Posted by Diamond Roa

Oh dear? Is there a problem?

Yes, quite.
The entire idea Divine Right Monarchies is preposterous. Furthermore, the notion that blindly accepting a government because God demands it is completely implausible and an obvious form of propaganda. Indeed, a government should exist for the service of the society rather than the other way around.

[Bloodcrest]

Originally Posted by Roger Mexico

Yes, quite.
The entire idea Divine Right Monarchies is preposterous. Furthermore, the notion that blindly accepting a government because God demands it is completely implausible and an obvious form of propaganda. Indeed, a government should exist for the service of the society rather than the other way around.

Only if taken in sole context, for which I cannot blame you but at the same time neither could I put out all the context that would be needed. The post would have been absurdly long.

[Roger Mexico]

Originally Posted by Diamond Roa

Only if taken in sole context, for which I cannot blame you but at the same time neither could I put out all the context that would be needed. The post would have been absurdly long.

Don't you take that "sole context" tone with me, mister. There is no possible context with which to defend the quote.

[Bloodcrest]

Originally Posted by Roger Mexico

Don't you take that "sole context" tone with me, mister. There is no possible context with which to defend the quote.

Sure there is, other parts of scripture.

[Gleasonator]

I AM THE LAW.

Ooh. This is a hard one. I hate the law because I can't kill these damn birds burrowing into my roof, but I like it because, if I get shot, someone's going to jail.

I think that there're alot of stupid laws, and that laws shouldn't be enforced exactly as written, but more of a general set of rules to follow. For example, I could see a law against going to a forest, capturing a bird, and taking it home to torture it (well... I don't really even have a big problem with that, but I could at least understand) but when there's a family of birds burring into your roof and chirping so loud you're kept up at night the SPCA can kiss my ass.

[adm1r]

I wouldn't change the law,I would change people who made the law...they don't manage it how it should be.It seems that the law isn't same for everyone *cough*parishilton*cough*

[itcouldbesweet]

I've never had a problem with them. The only thing I would change is that females receive equal if not harsher punishment to males. They almost always get leniency.