Abortion?

[Eve L.]

Abortion is murder...simple as that. I'm not really religious or anything, but I feel it's wrong. It's a new life, go for adoption.

[Kakyoin]

Pro-choice. The world doesn't need more kids to be uncared for and not treated properly just to teach some pregnant teenager a lesson or because people think it's immoral to get rid of a few cels. Having said that, I can understand why some people think abortion is wrong and that's fine, but I'm generally disgusted by people who go as far as banning or protesting it.

[Haddaway]

I, myself, am against it.

I see it as the murder of a living person. Though they may not look it, they're still people.

Murder is against the law, therefore abortion should be against the law. I do, however realize that some cases might actually call for it. I know I said it should be against the law, but if a woman is raped and gets pregnant because of it, I believe she should be allowed to abort.

Other than that, I am against it.

[FadedDreams]

Originally Posted by Kakyoin

Pro-choice. The world doesn't need more kids to be uncared for and not treated properly just to teach some pregnant teenager a lesson or because people think it's immoral to get rid of a few cels. Having said that, I can understand why some people think abortion is wrong and that's fine, but I'm generally disgusted by people who go as far as banning or protesting it.

aye.

[King Hydro]

Originally Posted by Haddaway

Though they may not look it, they're still people.

What characteristics are you basing this on? cognitive ability? the "innate" human-ness, the ability to recognise another of our own species?


Would you say abortion is wrong if it was recognised and confirmed that the child would be serverly brain damaged, he will never speak, and will forever need the use of a wheelchair. His cognitive abilities are severely impaired...

A monkey with higher congnitive ability than this hypothetical child, the ability to sense danger, recognise something is wrong, and ultimately.. to fear.

Animal testing still gets carried out upon the monkey - why? Purely because it is not one of "us"
Slightly offtopic (gonna make an animal testing thread, actually! :P), but yea..

What characteristics, for you, make one 'human' or a 'person'?

[Ugly Casanova]

A pregnant woman is on her way to an abortion clinic. She cross a road and gets hit by a car. The baby dies and the man driving the car gets charged with murder for killing the baby.


Food for thought, think about it. It's happened before.

[The Man]

Are you sure they got charged with murder? Manslaughter would seem more logical.

I expect they made the charge because it's extremely rare that a pregnant woman harmed in an accident is just about to go get an abortion

[King Hydro]

That may have happened before, but quite often people look at the methds and precedings that lead up to a certain event or outcome, not the outcome itself.

Either way, the unwanted baby was not born. Seems a bit messed up if the guy got charged with something.


[EDIT]: 500th post! woo!

[Teh Jamie]

Ummm I donno some ppl Think its Murder as a Wrong Point. And The person who is haveng the baby my not feel Comftible so they may want got get rid of He/she. In dont Mind what ppl think of this Tho.

.ps. sorry for the poor spelling. -.-

[Apples]

Abortion is only acceptable in cases such as rape or teen pregnancy, in my opinion. Choosing to back down from an
important decision such as having a child is wrong, in my honest opinion.

[WackaWacka]

i think we need some accurate statistics of the women who get abortions where it's legal to properly discuss something like this. Most women who get abortions aren't slutty girls, they are women who could die if they had the baby.

Now I think that abortion is horrible, so I only support it if the woman was raped or if it is likely she'll die when she goes into labor.

I support abortion only because whether it's legal or not doesnt change whether it exists or not, so as long as it's not used as a new type of birth control or a way to avoid the consequence of sex, i guess im fine with the existence of that option

[King Hydro]

Originally Posted by WackaWacka

i think we need some accurate statistics of the women who get abortions where it's legal to properly discuss something like this. Most women who get abortions aren't slutty girls, they are women who could die if they had the baby.

Now I think that abortion is horrible, so I only support it if the woman was raped or if it is likely she'll die when she goes into labor.

I support abortion only because whether it's legal or not doesnt change whether it exists or not, so as long as it's not used as a new type of birth control or a way to avoid the consequence of sex, i guess im fine with the existence of that option

What about the innocent unborn child? Why should they have to endeer a poor quality of life? (Under the circumstances that the girl cannot afford [time and/or money] to raise the baby, not just birth control or to avoid an accident because they cba.)

[Wei Yan]

Abortion is win, nuff said.

It's a choice that needs to be open to anyone. I'm a cold mother****er, but if you ask me you abort any kid that would have a serious handicap, both mental and physicial and any kid that would end up in an environement that is unsafe and uncaring thus pretty much heading him straight into criminality, drugs or hopefully suicide, should be aborted.

Life isen't holy, deal with it. People die every day. People kill people every day. Saying that we shouldn't play god over little babies lifes is pure rubbish, as we already do with bottle babies and stuff.

Those babies live because we play god, so if we can create life, we might aswell take it away.

Conclusion: raped, handicapped or awfull social surrounding? KILL EM ALL!

*await teh flaming*

[WackaWacka]

as much as it sucks for women, they have the biggest responsibility concerning the baby. If they aren't ready to have a baby, they shouldnt be sleeping around.

Pregnancy doesnt just occur randomly to women, which is why abortion is wrong. When women decide to have sex, they should decide at the same time if they're ready for motherhood.

Originally Posted by King Hydro

What about the innocent unborn child? Why should they have to endure a poor quality of life?

Well under that logic, everyone in Ethiopia should just kill their babies, since they are the poorest country on earth, and they are going to have a horrible quality of life.
We cant decide what kind of family we are born into or their income, we just have to make the most of it. Fortunately, income doesn't determine intelligence or skill; that gives everyone a chance to become something or somebody.

Originally Posted by Wei Yan

any kid that would have a serious handicap, both mental and physicial and any kid that would end up in an environement that is unsafe and uncaring thus pretty much heading him straight into criminality, drugs or hopefully suicide, should be aborted.

Most handicaps occur from problems during birth, when the woman goes into labor. You wouldn't necessarily know the baby would be retarded, etc. It could also be the mother's fault for drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc. before, or during pregnancy.

[King Hydro]

Originally Posted by WackaWacka

Well under that logic, everyone in Ethiopia should just kill their babies, since they are the poorest country on earth, and they are going to have a horrible quality of life.
We cant decide what kind of family we are born into or their income, we just have to make the most of it. Fortunately, income doesn't determine intelligence or skill; that gives everyone a chance to become something or somebody.

I meant a poor quality of life compared to what they probably will have later in life. Those in Ethiopia have a poor quality of life compared to ours, but most/all of them will never achieve what we have. So their quality of life is all they know.


And alot of defects can be hereditary, recessive and dominant genes/allells etc. "designer babies" gives couples the chance to have children and eradicate the hereditary disease/defect.

[Cardinal]

Did you notice that all pro-abortion people are already alive?

What does that say for the party involved?

Play it safe, wear a condom, practice abstinence. Plan for having a family. Pro-choice can become pro-life in the end.