Abortion?

[Tycoon]

In all seriousness, what is your opinion on abortion? For, or against?


In my personal opinion, it is killing a soon to be kid, which is wrong. But, that is just me, how about you?

[itcouldbesweet]

Pro-choice

[Jak]

Meh, I'm for it, If the mother doesn't want the baby, kill it rather than it be abandond or abused.

[Ugly Casanova]

Against it, like most Germans are.

[FadedDreams]

for it, the birth rate is too high anyways. humans need to die off a bit.

[Axel of Flamez]

In general, I think abortion could be accepted. Yes, it's like killing a person, but if you hadn't noticed people die everyday. It's a way of life and some people just need to deal with it. I don't like the idea of killing someone at all, don't get me wrong, but you're technically killing someone who hasn't even lived yet.

I have a right to my opinion.

[Ugly Casanova]

Originally Posted by Axel of Flames

I have a right to my opinion.

Thanks for telling us.

[The Man]

Completely pro-choice, though I think it should be discouraged in later periods of pregnancy due to the dangerousness of the procedure. But outlawing it won't stop women from having them, it'll just mean they get back-alley deals that have a large chance of harming the women as well. Also, for the first five months of pregnancy there's little if any credible evidence that foetuses are capable of consciousness or feeling pain, which renders the whole "it's ending a life" debate moot to me.

[Sibia]

I'm pro choice.

The alternative is to force a pregnant women to have the child regardless of the concequences and responsibility. To me, such a concept is simply atrocious.

[Ex Deo]

Pro-life or Anti-choice, call me whatever you want. There are few cases where I would find abortion to be an acceptable course of action.

However, this discussion is so old. Abortion isn't going away, and it's a much better idea for us Pro-lifers to focus on stressing responsible sex habits, rather than anti-abortion legislation, in order to prevent the abortion from ever even becoming an option in the first place.

As well, as The Man's already pointed out, back-alley abortions would no doubt increase and create further, and more severe, complications.

[LoveArya]

its up to the women. to be honest, i dont think its quite necessary to kill it, but as said, its not liveing yet. but if you kill it, you never even gave it a chance. but if you are to young to have the baby, then i think you should abortion, or if you are at high risk, then you should as well. its totally up to whoever is having the baby

[Gleasonator]

I am indifferent. I do not care what happens in the world as long as it doesn't affect me.

[Samic]

I'm pro-life, but I also agree with ex-Deo. It'd be a waste of time and breath to try and eliminate abortion, so talking about responsible sex habits would probably show better results.

To the Greasonator- You mother had to make a choice for your existence, and if you ever have children (or want to have them) then this also affects you. I don't think you need to be an advent member of either side but I feel you should know where you stand and why. There are few things in this world that happen and don't affect society.

[Gleasonator]

Originally Posted by Samic

I'm pro-life, but I also agree with ex-Deo. It'd be a waste of time and breath to try and eliminate abortion, so talking about responsible sex habits would probably show better results.

To the Greasonator- You mother had to make a choice for your existence, and if you ever have children (or want to have them) then this also affects you. I don't think you need to be an advent member of either side but I feel you should know where you stand and why. There are few things in this world that happen and don't affect society.

Well, I think that it is wrong because embryos are people, regardless of what scientists say. And for all we know that person could grow up to be the greatest human in existence. I guess it does affect me in the way that whoever was aborted could change the way I live completely.

But I guess that person might also grow up and be the next Hitler.

Either way I'm against it.

[Ugly Casanova]

In my opinion, using abortion as a source of birth control is wrong. It has more to do with responsibility than anything else. It's taking advantage of the system.

I sympathize with women that have been raped and want to get an abortion. That I could totally understand.

[FadedDreams]

definitely if a woman was raped.... I'd have no problem with her getting an abortion. it's not her fault in the first place, now if she did something stupid like didn't use the proper birth control, then I think she deserves to be weighed down with the unexpected resbonsibility.

[King Hydro]

Originally Posted by FadedDreams

definitely if a woman was raped.... I'd have no problem with her getting an abortion. it's not her fault in the first place, now if she did something stupid like didn't use the proper birth control, then I think she deserves to be weighed down with the unexpected resbonsibility.

What if a condom was used, and an accident happened? i think that was rather small minded of you.
As i've studied abortion in depth for my Philosophy degree i've got a fair bit to say about it!

Obviously, there are lots of different strands of belief about abortion in the world. One of which i disagree with strongly is the Roman-Catholic church. Although it is changing its views slighty (only from heaps of pressure from media, society etc) it still condone's rape. If a woman is raped, she is NOT allowed to have an abortion.
How ****ed up is that?

My personal opinion is a bit complicated. Due to modern-science we can give caesarian section births...this wasnt possible 100-200 years ago.
But more extreme than this, we can keep a baby alive after 24 weeks (extreme premature-birth). So then, because we have dappled our hand in messing with life (not necessarily a bad bad thing) we've changed our views on abortion.

I think that it is irresponsible to go 22 weeks of pregnancy then decide to have an abortion. Either you know in your heart/mind if you want the baby or not.

For teenage/young pregnancies it's often better that they wait before raising a child. Even without secure financial backing, they are lacking in life-experience.
In addition, think about the person/couple having the baby. For example, a 15 year old guy going out with a 19 year old guy. She gets pregnant, has the baby. That's her future destroyed, i know its kinda of unfair on the would-be child.. but isn't it best to put number one first?

A utilitarian approach would suggest that one should consider the greatest amount of good to the greatest number. If a teenage pregnancy (or any pregnancy) will cause more harm and stress, to whoever is affected by the child, than it will do good to those affected then it should not take place.


In a nutshell: I'm for abortion.

[FadedDreams]

all you had to say was that last sentence

I said if they used improper birth control (as in not using any AT ALL), I never said anything about if something happens to it, for example your condom-breaking thing. geez.

[Ugly Casanova]

Originally Posted by Hydro

What if a condom was used, and an accident happened? i think that was rather small minded of you.

Accidents happen and you should be prepared for it. Sex was created solely for procreation, not recreation. I have no problem with protected sex. However, everything has a cause and affect. Every action we do always has a consequence. This is common sense.

Females know they can bear children. They should take all caution when engaging in sexual intercourse. Those that lack the responsibility of their actions should take the hardest road and not the easy trail.

Condoms break, we ( clearly not all ) know this. There is no excuse. Everything we need to know about getting pregnant and being pregnant is out there. Those who choose not to educate themselves deserve to get what they get.

Is it small minded of me to say that? No, it’s not.

[The Man]

all I'm gonna say is that expecting people not to have sex just because there's a small chance a condom might break and birth control might fail is overwhelmingly unrealistic. If those things happen and abortion is illegal, they'll just get back-alley abortions. And in many cases, that'll result in unnecessary harm to them.

During the first five months of pregnancy, the brain and nervous system are not developed enough for there to be anything there to sense pain, so the whole "abortion is cruelty" argument holds no water with me.